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Post  fshnski on Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:53 pm

So the Republican-controlled House of Representatives -- with the help of a couple of Democrats -- has voted to defund ObamaCare. In response, President Obama, declaring that the Republicans are "trying to mess with me," has accused the House of trying to shut down the government.

But the government will only shut down if Obama vetoes the budget that comes to his desk. The House budget funds everything except for implementation of the Affordable Care Act better known as ObamaCare.

In truth, by refusing even to negotiate with the House leadership and threatening to veto a budget that doesn't fit his own specifications, it is Obama, not the House of Representatives, who is putting the country at risk of a government shutdown.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/09/23/obamacare-gop-debt-ceiling-column/2850061/

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Post  WHL on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:21 am

I agree.
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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:05 am

I pulled this quote from one of the Washington Papers. I thought the guys says it all.



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The US Government is "shut down", today.
If that means that the US Government won't send US troops to fight wars that it won't permit them to win, won't provide guns to the Mexican drug cartels, won't encourage and reward illegal entry into the US, won't ban the Bible and the Ten Commandments from the public, won't support the Muslim Brotherhood, won't bar drilling for oil and gas and refining it, won't bar use of coal as a fuel, and won't make promises that it can't or won't keep, then that is good.

But, if it means that Congress can still pass bills that increase the national debt and that the President can still do and say things that make look the US look ridiculous, then, what difference does it make if the Government is shut down or not?

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:25 am

It's quite humorous that the Affordable Care Act is allegedly wildly unpopular, when millions of Americans contacted the exchanges yesterday in every state looking to sign up. The Republicans are saying that the glitches yesterday are a sign that the bill is not ready, while forgetting the history that they had the same problems with Medicare Part D, a wildly popular program. The sad fact is that if John Boehner let the Senate bill get to the floor of the House for a vote it would have passed and there would be no shutdown, but Boehner has been taken hostage by the Tea Party and millions of Americans will go without pay. The Republicans are deathly afraid to be on the wrong side of history with this one, and that is their destiny! The Affordable Care Act is here to stay and the Republicans are going to have to put their tails between their legs and hop on board!

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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:34 am

They have had three years to get ready for this! Three years to prepare a website that doesn't work!

Do you ever admit to the truth? The left ignores, manipulates or censors very truth they are presented with. They make fun of people and make up nicknames for anybody who disagrees with their socialist BS. This is how Democrats operate. What a bunch of despicable hypocrites!



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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:41 am

fshnski wrote:They have had three years to get ready for this! Three years to prepare a website that doesn't work!
That's not completely true. The Affordable Care Act was upheld by the Supreme Court only last year, and the decision gave the states the option of not starting their own exchanges, and I would venture to say that any sight that gets millions of hits in one day will have glitches. It's not a big deal because Americans have until the end of March to sign up. If The Affordable Care Act was so unpopular, why did it get millions of hits online yesterday? It's over, the law is not going away!!

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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:42 am

It's called obamacare!

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:53 am

fshnski wrote:It's called obamacare!
Millions of hits on the exchanges yesterday tells me that it's going to be very popular, whatever you want to call it. The Republicans are accelerating their irrelevance each day this nonsense goes on. Welcome to the White House, Hillary!!!

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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:55 am

Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it is true.

Do you have the same closed mind when it comes to dealing with problems that come up in Wolfeboro?

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:02 am

fshnski wrote:Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it is true.

Do you have the same closed mind when it comes to dealing with problems that come up in Wolfeboro?
Does it always get personal when you're losing an argument?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/with-traditional-gop-allies-defecting-big-business-leaders-take-sides-with-obama

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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:08 am

"Does it always get personal when you're losing an argument?"

Thanks for the laugh. That's a good one.

I'm no longer afraid that someone knows who I am. What have you got to hide?

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Post  News Hawk on Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:09 am

News Buzzard wrote:It's quite humorous that the Affordable Care Act is allegedly wildly unpopular, when millions of Americans contacted the exchanges yesterday in every state looking to sign up.
You know they are Americans --HOW?

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:20 am

fshnski wrote:I'm no longer afraid that someone knows who I am.
I never was!!

News Hawk wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:It's quite humorous that the Affordable Care Act is allegedly wildly unpopular, when millions of Americans contacted the exchanges yesterday in every state looking to sign up.
You know they are Americans --HOW?

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No I don't, and I hope the system will weed out those who are not!
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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:27 am

"No I don't, and I hope the system will weed out those who are not!"

You're cracking me up today. Thanks! Very Happy 

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Post  WHL on Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:55 pm

Yeah, how DARE anybody mess with the big O??? How dare anybody disagree with the big O?

Of course the system crashed-all the people who want FREE insurance were calling! Plus some others just to see what it was all about.

NB, that was not a very smart statement that they have only had since the Supreme Court decision to get rid of it. You HONESTLY believe that they didn't start on it as soon as it was passed? How DARE the Supreme Court rule against the big O???? He wasn't afraid of that.
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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:38 pm

WHL wrote:Yeah, how DARE anybody mess with the big O???  How dare anybody disagree with the big O?

Of course the system crashed-all the people who want FREE insurance were calling!  Plus some others just to see what it was all about.

NB, that was not a very smart statement that they have only had since the Supreme Court decision to get rid of it.  You HONESTLY believe that they didn't start on it as soon as it was passed?  How DARE the Supreme Court rule against the big O????  He wasn't afraid of that.
I have seen many prices on many plans in many states, but I have yet to read about a policy that is free!

The planning may have started early on, but the Supreme Court changed the rules of the game regarding the Medicaid expansion and the exchanges. Overall, the Supreme Court did not rule against Obama. New Hampshire has yet to decide on the Medicaid expansion.
You're going to lose this one, WHL, just as soon as Boehner has the decency to let the House vote on the continuing resolution. There are enough Republicans, RINOs in your terminology, who will pass a clean resolution with the Democrats. The game is over!!!!

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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:40 pm

We don't like and don't want obamacare.

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:48 pm

fshnski wrote:We don't like and don't want obamacare.
Then get officials elected who will repeal it! That's the way the system is supposed to work.

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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:52 pm

Stop bribing for votes! Stop letting the least qualified, the least educated and the least contributing members of our society determine our nation's future.

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:59 pm

fshnski wrote:Stop bribing for votes!  Stop letting the least qualified, the least educated and the least contributing members of our society determine our nation's future.
That sounds like you're in favor of voter suppression. In you view who gets to decide who's capable of voting? Elections have consequences, and the voters overwhelmingly spoke last November!

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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:05 pm

Good job! You convinced the least qualified, the least educated and the least contributing members of our society, by bribery, to vote for obama.

I would be proud of that.

I am in favor of having to show a picture ID to vote. I am also in favor of eliminating straight tickets.


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It's funny how opinions are manipulated.

Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:33 pm

On Monday morning, Time/MSNBC political analyst Mark Halperin explained an obvious political reality to his fellow Morning Joe panelists:
“The White House does not have much incentive” to negotiate on the government shutdown, because Democrats expect the liberal news media to hand them a public relations victory.

As Halperin put it: “The press is largely sympathetic to their arguments that it’s the House Republicans’ fault.”

In fact, as a new Media Research Center analysis of broadcast network evening news coverage shows, ABC, CBS and NBC spent the two weeks prior to the shutdown almost universally pinning the blame on congressional Republicans, especially conservative/Tea Party House Republicans.

By the time the shutdown actually took place on October 1, news audiences had been repeatedly instructed to think about it as a GOP-generated crisis.

From September 17 through September 30, the Big Three evening newscasts ran a total of 39 stories about the possibility of a government shutdown. Our MRC analysts found that a majority of those stories (21) were framed around the idea of Republicans triggering the crisis, compared to four that blamed both sides and absolutely none that put the onus on Democrats’ failure to negotiate. (The remaining 14 stories did not include discussion of blame.)



Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2013/10/02/mrc-study-even-shutdown-networks-dumped-most-blame-conservatives#ixzz2gahTmBuU

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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:44 pm

In a White House briefing on Monday, CNN’s Jim Acosta actually confronted spokesman Jay Carney about the tactic of seeming to “taunt Republicans” rather than exploring the potential for a constructive dialogue.

Acosta told Carney:

“In the last couple of weeks, Democrats, including the President, have — and he has not used all of these words, but I’ll throw out some of them that have been used — have referred to Republicans as ‘arsonists,’ ‘anarchists,’ ‘extortionists,’ ‘blackmailers,’ ‘hostage-takers.’...It almost sounds as if this White House is trying to taunt Republicans into shutting the government down.”

If Democratic congressmen, or a Democratic Speaker of the House, pursuing a liberal policy objective, was subjected to similar ridicule or insults from a Republican President or a Republican Senate Majority Leader, you can bet that the networks would have made such language the centerpiece of their coverage.

Instead, the media have chosen to foist all of the blame on conservatives for sticking to their promise to oppose ObamaCare.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2013/10/02/mrc-study-even-shutdown-networks-dumped-most-blame-conservatives#ixzz2gak4ZdKb

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:49 pm

The Senate passed their budget back in April, and then formally requested the House Republicans to negotiate on it 18 times since then, but the Republicans refused every time!! Do you think the main stream media made that one up, or do you think the Republicans were planning this crisis all along? You should really accept the fact that the Republicans are going to lose this one!!

Do you really want to make it that easy for Hillary?

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Post  fshnski on Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:55 pm

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has a "new" offer for House Republicans: Fund the government, and then we can negotiate.

The Nevada Democrat sent House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, a letter Wednesday pledging to put everything on the table during budget talks, including tax reform and health care. But he won't name conferees unless the House gives the Senate a "clean" resolution to temporarily fund government at current levels.

"He doesn't even have to vote for it," Reid said shortly after the two leaders spoke on the phone. "He can vote against it."

But Boehner immediately shrugged off Reid's offer.

"Offering to negotiate only after Democrats get everything they want is not much of an offer," Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said.

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