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Post  WHL on Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:16 am

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full

It's pretty sad when this happens. Over 108 million on assistance, roughly the population of Mexico.
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Post  fshnski on Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:25 pm

How is that sustainable?

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Re: Recipients outnumber workers.

Post  News Buzzard on Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:35 pm

I question the validity of that report because it counts everyone in a household where 1 person may be receiving benefits. If a child has health insurance through a state Medicaid program then everyone in the house gets counted. How can that be an accurate statistic? Despite this obvious gloom and doom mentality I see daily on this forum our budget deficit has been cut in half this past year alone and our problems are quite solvable.

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Re: Recipients outnumber workers.

Post  WHL on Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:11 pm

It isn't, fsh.
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Post  fshnski on Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:04 pm

The reason the budget deficit is down is because it had risen so high the previous 4 years.

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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:00 pm

There are 3 reasons the budget deficit is down:

1-Sequester
2-Tax hike on the high earners
3-More people went back to work

In the end we were very foolish 10 years ago when we fought 2 very long and very expensive wars at the same time we did massive tax cuts. The math never added up, and then there was the Great Recession. The Republicans responded by saying that we had a spending problem. (trillions on wars would fit that bill) And now they demand we cut back on Social Security and Medicare. (In their dreams)

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Post  fshnski on Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:13 pm

2007 - $162 billion budget deficit

2008 - $455 billion budget deficit

2009 - $1.4 trillion budget deficit

2010 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit

2011 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
 
2012 - $1.1 trillion budget deficit

2013 - $.901 trillion budget deficit (projected)


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Re: Recipients outnumber workers.

Post  Achigan on Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:42 pm

fshnski wrote:2007 - $162 billion budget deficit

2008 - $455 billion budget deficit

2009 - $1.4 trillion budget deficit

2010 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit

2011 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit

2012 - $1.1 trillion budget deficit

2013 - $901 trillion budget deficit (projected)
$901 TRILLION for year 2013?????.............You need to read what you post....never mind, the Admin of this forum will protect you, keep on posting lie after lie.
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Post  fshnski on Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:49 pm

On Feb. 23, 2009, President Obama made this statement at the opening of a “fiscal responsibility” summit:

”This administration has inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit — the largest in our nation’s history — and our investments to rescue our economy will add to that deficit in the short term. … And that’s why today I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office.”

OK, the benchmark would be $1.3 trillion, and half of that would be $650 billion. That’s obviously still a large number, but half is half.

Now, it’s important to get some terminology straight. The deficit refers to an annual number — how much outlays exceed revenues in a given year. The national debt refers to the total amount a nation has borrowed, over time, to finance these deficits. So reducing the deficit still means the debt increases year after year, as does the cost of paying interest on that debt.

Making things even more confusing, the federal government runs on a fiscal year that ends on Sept. 30. (This is why we have the shutdown crisis this week.) So when Obama said he inherited a deficit, he is referring to the 2009 fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, 2009. His pledge to cut the deficit in half by the end of his term in theory referred to Jan. 20, 2013, but the only fiscal year number we have is for the year that ended Sept. 30, 2012.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the actual deficit in fiscal year 2009 was a little higher than Obama anticipated: $1.41 trillion. The deficit in fiscal year 2012 was $1.09 trillion. So Obama did not meet his pledge, even though his advisers had probably told him it was a safe bet at the time, as a more rapid recovery from the recession was expected. (Indeed, as Obama was taking office in 2009, CBO predicted the deficit would be $264 billion in fiscal year 2012, which shows why Obama’s pledge was actually relatively modest.)

For the 2013 fiscal year, CBO in May projected that the deficit would shrink to $642 billion, which is obviously a huge drop. That means Obama would meet his pledge four years and eight months after he took office, or essentially a year later than he had promised.

So where does Pelosi come up with four years and three months?

Drew Hammill, her spokesman, said that Pelosi was not focused on the raw deficit numbers, but rather she measured the deficit as a percentage of gross domestic product, which is the broadest measure of the economy. This is actually the best way to measure the size of a deficit, especially if you are looking across a period of many years.

Using Pelosi’s method, the CBO said the deficit was 10.1 percent of GDP in fiscal year 2009, and it was 7 percent of GDP in fiscal year 2012. In February 2013, CBO projected that the fiscal year 2013 deficit would be 5.3 percent, which is still not quite one-half of 10.1 percent. Then in May 2013, it revised the projection for fiscal 2013 to 4 percent of GDP.

“So four years and three months after the president’s projection, we have a CBO projection at less than half,” he said. He noted that in May, the fiscal year was nearing completion, and so there was no doubt the deficit was going to be less than half the level from when Obama took office.
The Pinocchio Test

A projection of a deficit is not the same thing as achieving the deficit itself. Pelosi’s broad point is correct — as of the end of this week, the deficit likely will have been cut in half since Obama took office. (We will update this column if Obama falls short in the official number.) It is also admirable that she was thinking in terms of a percentage of GDP.

But she stumbles when she tries to put such a precise date on reaching the goal —four years and three months.

We might also quibble with the notion that Obama “did it.” As we noted last week, Republicans in Congress also played a role — and CBO’s long-term projections indicate that both sides are cutting the wrong kind of spending.

But laying that issue aside, Pelosi might do better to simply say that Obama has met his 2009 pledge — one year late.

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Re: Recipients outnumber workers.

Post  Achigan on Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:08 pm

Where did you get $901 TRILLON from??????

I see that you changed it but didn't admit that you made a mistake. Typical repub tactic.
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Re: Recipients outnumber workers.

Post  fshnski on Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:46 pm

Achigan wrote:Where did you get $901 TRILLON from??????

I see that you changed it but didn't admit that you made a mistake.  Typical repub tactic.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I took decisive action and I fixed my mistake. I didn't try to blame it on anyone else either. Once again, thank you for your cooperation.

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Re: Recipients outnumber workers.

Post  fshnski on Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:55 pm

I'm sick of nerds telling me what to do!

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...mixing Ebonics with Latin...

Post  News Hawk on Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:14 am

fshnski wrote:I'm sick of nerds telling me what to do!
Illegitimi non carborundum, Bro...

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Re: Recipients outnumber workers.

Post  News Hawk on Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:20 am

WHL wrote:http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full

It's pretty sad when this happens.  Over 108 million on assistance, roughly the population of Mexico.
Or the Philippines...

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"...Americans who were recipients of means-tested government benefits in 2011 outnumbered year-round full-time workers, according to data released this month by the Census Bureau. They also out-numbered the total population of the Philippines.

There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers..."
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Post  News Hawk on Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:24 am

News Buzzard wrote:"...Despite this obvious gloom and doom mentality I see daily on this forum...".
I can see why this would make a much better avatar for the News Crows.

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Re: Recipients outnumber workers.

Post  WHL on Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:22 am

It's just not sustainable. As you said, NH, pretty soon we will be Detroit and we will find out. When there is no on else to bail us out, we will be in big trouble.

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Post  News Hawk on Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:47 am

News Buzzard wrote:"...In the end we were very foolish 10 years ago when we fought 2 very long and very expensive wars..."
We have lost more wars under Obama than all other presidents combined.

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Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.
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