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Post  News Pigeon on Wed May 07, 2014 4:30 pm

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The “creepy” party responsible for the downgraded security in Benghazi was YOUR PARTY.

Even Ambassador Stevens himself had repeatedly requested more security personnel, but was turned down. Lt. Col. Andy Wood, the former head of a U.S. Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya, has told CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson that he and many other senior staff at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, "felt we needed more, not less" security personnel in the country, but were told "to do with less.”

Sending MORE security into areas like Benghazi would have done even more harm to his Obama’s narrative, so he simply didn't do it. Instead he reduced security, pulled out American agents, and in some cases substituted Libyan personnel for the American security troops. He was hoping this would look good to American voters who weren't paying much attention.

By the first week in September 2012, there were exactly 3 American security personnel at the consulate in Benghazi. The gate guards and patrols had been replaced by unarmed Libyans.

Yeah, this wasn't political, it was just unfortunate deaths of four American citizens.

This may jog your memory...from one of your own.
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.

On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security."

"Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have…15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things.

The smear campaign against Hillary won't work, too many people like her and your party is positively in love with Bill these days... drunken 
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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  Outerlimits on Wed May 07, 2014 5:00 pm

I know the Democrats tend to shy away from all things Benghazi…

SO here is the update to that bogus claim

It is up to the State Department to allocate its budget, and they could have made budget cuts that didn't jeopardize the safety and security of our embassies. Especially those in regions where we known hostiles to the US.

Maybe less state dinners?
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Post  News Pigeon on Wed May 07, 2014 5:18 pm

Outerlimits wrote:I know the Democrats tend to shy away from all things Benghazi…

SO here is the update to that bogus claim

It is up to the State Department to allocate its budget, and they could have made budget cuts that didn't jeopardize the safety and security of our embassies. Especially those in regions where we known hostiles to the US.

Maybe less state dinners?

"bogus claim", your TEA party darling Chaffetz made that claim, I just quoted it.

Prioritize what??? When in fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding & then House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million. Nothing much is left to prioritize ... Like Rummy said "you go to war with the army you got, not the one you'd like"

"Less state dinners"...sure, as long  as we also do cuts in corporate subsidies/tax breaks. Let's get back to capitalism at it's purest form, if a corporation can't make it on it's own, then it isn't strong enough to exist.
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Post  WHL on Wed May 07, 2014 7:21 pm

I agree, if a company can't make it on it's own, it should exist.  Why did Obama bail out GM?
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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  News Hawk on Wed May 07, 2014 8:59 pm

WHL wrote:Outer is right, it was all about covering it up before the election.

"Machiavelli stated it best-—that Lies are much more loved than Truth.

No one wants to hear the truth-—except the most mature, educated, and moral.

People are not angels."

A video that reminds me of Wolfeboro's Stalinist Forum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZXoNKBi3bQ

Yes, the subject is a male!

(He'd get larger video if he'd turn the camera 90-degrees to a wide angle shot).

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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  News Pigeon on Wed May 07, 2014 9:29 pm

WHL wrote:  Why did Obama bail out GM?

It's been a practice since the beginning of this country....going back to the Panic of 1792, when the federal government bailed out the 13 United States, which were over-burdened by their debt from the Revolutionary War. The 2008 Bank Bailouts marked the fourth time  that the government interceded to prevent the ruin of a private enterprise or the entire financial sector. Then there was the  savings and loan bailout of 1989, Bear Stearns, an investment bank and brokerage firm and lets not forget American International Group (AIG), an insurance colossus with a huge global reach.
Several Presidents have presided over financial bailouts...republican & democrat
http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts
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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  Outerlimits on Thu May 08, 2014 9:18 am

News Pigeon wrote:...Prioritize what??? When in fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding & then House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million. Nothing much is left to prioritize ... Like Rummy said "you go to war with the army you got, not the one you'd like

The whole “Republicans cut the funding for security in Benghazi” was debunked a long time ago.  It was yet another lie told by the Democrats to try to point the finger at somebody else for their failures.


If you had paid attention to the hearings…you would have known that.


Oct. 10, 2012 hearing:

QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.

QUESTION: So there's not a budget problem. It's not you all don't have the money to do this?

DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: Sir, it's a volatile situation. We will move assets to cover that.


May 8, 2013 hearing:

QUESTION: Mr. Nordstrom, you were on that panel. Do you remember what she [Lamb] said?

REGIONAL SECURITY OFFICER ERIC NORDSTROM: Yes, she said that resources was not an issue. And I think I would also point to the ARB report, if I'm not mistaken, that they talked to our chief financial officer with D.S. [Diplomatic Security], who also said that resources were not an issue.

Pretty cut and dry there.  
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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  News Pigeon on Thu May 08, 2014 10:10 am

Laughing Well then, I guess you've gotten all the answers necessary...why another go-round? I think we all know the answer to that one..... Rolling Eyes

BEN...GHAZIIIIIIIIIIIIIII  Sounds so ominous, doesn't it?  Laughing 
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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  Outerlimits on Thu May 08, 2014 3:10 pm

We clearly do not have all the answers.

After nearly two solid years of Democrat evasions, lies, redactions, stonewalling, hiding of witnesses, and refusals to comply with subpoenas.....the left has the ordasity to turn around and tell us all the questions have already been answered and there's "nothing new".


This Administration and State Department have done their very best to delay and withhold as much pertinent information as they could. Prior inquiries did not have the power to get to the truth.

Fortunately this Special Committee has teeth now and we will get answers.

Clearly there is a cover-up. Susan Rice (lied), Hillary (lied), Panetta (lied), and yes, apparently, the President was "less than genuine" with his comments.

Timelines don't lie and unless someone was using the payphone ahead of Hillary "ahem" then it's pretty clear they knew what they knew, when they knew it, and were damned if we were going to find out about it 2 months before an election.

I wonder if anyone will have the temerity to ask Hillary why she lied to Charles Woods (the father of the dead Navy Seal) when she said she was going to expend whatever is necessary to find who made the videotape at the man's funeral.

No hiding anymore.
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Post  News Pigeon on Thu May 08, 2014 5:46 pm

Um hmmm...and supposing all you said were true, would it have prevented the deaths?
I don't think it would've...the world is full of terrorist elements and it's only a matter of opportunity before the next strike any where the US or it's allies have an interest. IF your
party REALLy were concerned about safety, they would be focused on prevention .

I guess haters just gotta hate! We'll see how it all turns out  for ya.... Wink 
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Post  News Buzzard on Thu May 08, 2014 8:38 pm

Not to worry, News Pigeon, (and I know you're not) but the Republicans are going to overplay this nonsense !  Very Happy 

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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  obervantone on Thu May 08, 2014 9:23 pm

No, nothing political here.  Let's not even talk about these attacks during the George W Bush administration because they apparently don't count:  96 killed
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

Let's talk about the one attack and four killed under the Obama Adminstraton.  How did the Speaker of the House react today?...
Boehner said he believed it was finally time to create a cohesive investigation

So that makes these investigations led by Republicans...what?  Just fooling around?
Republican congressional investigations on Benghazi have included "13 hearings, 25,000 pages of documents and 50 briefings."

Nothing political here...not trying to raise money for the party...nothing to see...move along...

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Post  News Hawk on Fri May 09, 2014 4:36 am

Which of those involve an imminent election involving an absent President and Secretary of State, with a made-up story-line of a video nobody had heard of?

Plus, a recent digging up of a well-hidden White House memo to inoculate the President and Secretary of State against impeachment?

Which of those involve Americans taking the battle to the terrorists against shelling by mortar firings—which, given enough hours, resulted in the deaths of those American heroes?

Can you answer the questions asked of our subservient American press?

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/145df275c88eb57e?projector=1

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Post  News Pigeon on Fri May 09, 2014 10:21 am

News Hawk wrote:Which of those involve an imminent election involving an absent President and Secretary of State,

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The cover-up of the "friendly-fire" murder of Pat Tillman comes to mind....Bush made him his poster guy for his numerous war's and oops, his own comrades mowed him down.
We were told, for many months prior to the election, that it was the enemy who ambushed the camp....
The hypocrisy on your parties behalf is unconscionable....we really should conduct a thorough investigation into Issa's unfortunate car dealership arson, oops I mean fire.
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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  Outerlimits on Fri May 09, 2014 10:51 am

Exactly News Hawk.

None of the instances listed involved a sitting president try to put the blame on something other than what it truly was(because he was trying to get re-elected), and then go on to try and cover up the fact that he did so.

Whether the Hillary/Obama bathwater drinkers like it or not, a major constitutional check on the executive branch is Congressional oversight. The power to investigate and oversee the executive branch is warranted, and if there was ever an executive branch that needed a good scouring it's this sorry bunch we have in DC right now.

Only a partisan hack could not see there is something terribly wrong with this administration, from the way they blackmail the media, use the IRS to intimidate the president's enemies in an attempt to influence the outcome of a presidential election, lie to the public about Obamacare and Benghazi.
Yet when reasonable people bring up these subjects, they are accused of being racist and conducting partisan witch hunts.

The Benghazi scandal was an illustration of complete and utter failure, for both Obama and Hilary. It was a failure in leadership and policy, and the level of ineptitude, incompetence and irresponsibility all covered up with lies and deceit.


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News Hawk wrote:Which of those involve an imminent election involving an absent President and Secretary of State,

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The cover-up of the "friendly-fire" murder of Pat Tillman comes to mind....Bush made him his poster guy for his numerous war's and oops, his own comrades mowed him down.
We were told, for many months prior to the election, that it was the enemy who ambushed the camp....
The hypocrisy on your parties behalf is unconscionable....we really should conduct a thorough investigation into  Issa's unfortunate car dealership arson, oops I mean fire.

I find it humorous you have an issue with some Republicans lawmakers making the investigation of Benghazi political.

You do understand the lack of security in Benghazi and the cover-up by the O-Administration and Hillary’s State Department were driven by political gain don’t you?

The Democrats held intense and lengthy hearings on "Bridgegate" and Governor Christie on what he knew and when he knew it yet somehow Democrats feel investigation into Benghazi is uncalled for and pure politics.
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Lies?

Post  obervantone on Fri May 09, 2014 11:10 am

You want a list of some lies that cost Americans and others their lives?  Where was the call for impeachment from the Republican Congress?  Nowhere, these lies were okay!

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati. ''

LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -- President Bush, Oct. 7 .

LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.

LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets." -- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.

LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.

LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.

And who can forget this little beauty?
An undercover CIA operative specializing in weapons of mass destruction, Valerie Plame was unmasked in July 2003 by columnist Robert D. Novak after her husband, Joseph Wilson, criticized President Bush for stating that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein bought nuclear weapons-grade uranium in the African nation of Niger.

But those lies and the outing of a CIA operative were okay and don't warrant 14 Congressional hearings EACH 25000 pages of documents EACH or 50 briefings EACH because it was OUR guys!  

This latest call for "FINALLY an investigation" into Benghazi is just a fundraising tool for the Republican Party as we head into the mid-term elections.

This is such Bullshit.

OO out!


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Post  WHL on Fri May 09, 2014 3:09 pm

Why does every discussion on here have to end in "Bush did it too"?  It is getting old.   It sounds like kids on a playground when they get heck for picking on another kid.  Their response is "He did it too."  Very childish.
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Post  News Pigeon on Fri May 09, 2014 5:22 pm

You miss the entire point...Bush et al did much more that needed investigating but none of you or your party will ever admit that..in fact it's like the ancient Ramses II who struck the name of Moses from all of Egypt!!...the name "Bush" shall not be spoken!!! Hypocrisy, that's all it is, pointing out the blatant hypocrisy that you people never address...
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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  News Hawk on Fri May 09, 2014 6:46 pm

obervantone wrote:You want a list of some lies that cost Americans and others their lives?  Where was the call for impeachment from the Republican Congress?  Nowhere, these lies were okay!

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati. ''

LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -- President Bush, Oct. 7 .

LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.

LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets." -- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.

LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.

LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.

And who can forget this little beauty?
An undercover CIA operative specializing in weapons of mass destruction, Valerie Plame was unmasked in July 2003 by columnist Robert D. Novak after her husband, Joseph Wilson, criticized President Bush for stating that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein bought nuclear weapons-grade uranium in the African nation of Niger.

But those lies and the outing of a CIA operative were okay and don't warrant 14 Congressional hearings EACH 25000 pages of documents EACH or 50 briefings EACH because it was OUR guys!  

This latest call for "FINALLY an investigation" into Benghazi is just a fundraising tool for the Republican Party as we head into the mid-term elections.

This is such Bullshit.

Obama Out!

We've covered this topic ad infinitum.

We've liberated many millions of Iraqi women—The Progressive's "Good War" in Afghanistan will take longer to liberate them.

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Re: Benghazi info released.

Post  News Pigeon on Fri May 09, 2014 7:01 pm

News Hawk wrote:



We've  liberated many millions of Iraqi women—

 


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If you call this liberation...
By: Rana Harbi

Published Thursday, March 20, 2014

Human rights advocates and religious leaders are outraged after an overwhelming majority of the Iraqi Council of Ministers voted in favor of a contentious personal status draft law last month, which implicitly legalizes pedophilia, rape, and prostitution as long as they fall within the boundaries of a sharia-based marriage.
Prior to the US invasion in 2003, Iraqi women enjoyed favorable socioeconomic conditions that precipitously declined in the past decade, ending with this new draft law which threatens to strip women of their basic rights.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/19100


We've covered this topic ad infinitum.

We've also covered Benghazi, ad infinitum but that doesn't seem to bother you ....
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri May 09, 2014 8:31 pm

The Benghazi Hoax is only about politics. It has always been only about politics. It's the easiest way for the Republicans to distract Americans from the real issues they are ignoring, such as immigration reform, jobs and the minimum wage. The Republicans actually have more responsibility for Benghazi because they cut the State Department budget too much, and this new select committee will be nothing more than a FOX News fueled circus.

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Post  News Pigeon on Fri May 09, 2014 8:38 pm

News Buzzard wrote:The Benghazi Hoax is only about politics. It has always been only about politics. It's the easiest way for the Republicans to distract Americans from the real issues they are ignoring, such as immigration reform, jobs and the minimum wage. The Republicans actually have more responsibility for Benghazi because they cut the State Department budget too much, and this new select committee will be nothing more than a FOX News fueled circus.

So true....

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Post  News Hawk on Fri May 09, 2014 8:42 pm

Even a draft of Sharia law should bother every freedom-loving person. Sharia law is already infiltrating the United Kingdom, and even Canada.  Shocked 

When mortars are used in a Benghazi "protest", there's something else going on. Perhaps the inquiry will discover that the weapons used at Benghazi were "liberated" from Libya just months before. Likewise, such hints at wrong-headed politics should bother every freedom-loving person—and American voter.

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Post  News Buzzard on Fri May 09, 2014 9:09 pm

News Pigeon wrote:

NB, your guy Ray Allen was the hands-down MVP last night! He's found his rhythm w/ the Heat.

"He Got Game" I am so impressed with his steadiness throughout his career ! I like Garnett and Pierce also, but those guys are showing their age while Ray Allen seems to be drinking from the Fountain Of Youth. He holds the record for 3 point shots, and the thing that impresses me is that he has always played great defense !

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Post  News Buzzard on Sat May 10, 2014 8:39 am

It's all about fundraising:   No 

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/john-boehner-benghazi-fundraising-106493.html

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