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Lesson on Socialism

Post  WHL on Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:09 am

You have probably seen this before but it is so good, it is worth posting again.







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On January 12, 2014
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Since posting this story in 2013, the left simply won’t leave it alone. Something about it strikes a chord and they have to lash out at it, even though it’s a story.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read on this experiment:

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
What I am reading now is liberals, progressives or those that dismiss the STORY because it’s a scenario and not real. They can’t cope with the real truth that you can’t move poor people into prosperity by legislation from Washington, DC. Government doesn’t have the authority to take from Citizen A and give to Citizen B to make things even.
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Achigan on Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:51 pm

"A real economics professor would (or should) have understood that his scheme was actually more a demonstration of communism than of socialism, the latter being a system that advocates social ownership of production and distribution, not an equal distribution of resources to all citizens regardless of their efforts."

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp#hUie3UI28KFle6CR.99
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Anti Federalist on Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:33 am

What we are living under is neither socialism or communism.

It is most closely related to and most closely resembles Mussolini style fascism.
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  News Hawk on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:17 am

Divert much?

 No 

Or is Poppatuff (of Wolfeboro's Stalinist forum angling to moderate this forum?

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Anti Federalist wrote:It is most closely related to and most closely resembles Mussolini style fascism.
Mussolini would have loved Solyndra.

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Didn't I just say that?

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[quote]"The October bankruptcy of solar company Satcon Technology Corp. puts the number of bankrupt or troubled green energy companies as high as 50, according to one estimate.

During the first presidential debate, Republican candidate Mitt Romney said the Obama administration had doled out $90 billion to green energy companies, half of which he said had failed, which sparked a media-wide debate over the accuracy of the claim..."
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Mussolini comparisons are everywhere, but I'll spare you this one time. Here's one that is more to the point:



'Course, the News Crows will have something nice to say about each of them.

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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  WHL on Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:50 am

WHy, Anti?
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Achigan on Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:55 am

Anti Federalist wrote:What we are living under is neither socialism or communism.

It is most closely related to and most closely resembles Mussolini style fascism.

"A major element of fascism that has been deemed as clearly far right is its goal to promote the right of claimed superior people to dominate while purging society of claimed inferior elements."

If I understand that quote from a well known free encyclopedia, fascism is more of a conservative way of thinking...the GOP of today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Anti Federalist on Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:25 pm

WHL wrote:WHy, Anti?

Fascism, as an economic system, relies on nominal "private" ownership of production, but with heavy government regulation and oversight.

In 1914, the ANI began to tilt towards authoritarian nationalism with its endorsement of the creation of an authoritarian corporate state, a radical idea created by Italian law professor, Alfredo Rocco. Such a corporate state led by a corporate assembly rather than a parliament, which would be composed of unions, business organizations and other economic organizations that would work within a powerful state government to regulate business-labour relations, organize the economy, end class conflict, and make Italy an industrial state which could compete with imperial powers and establish its own empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Nationalist_Association

Also, a major hallmark of a fascist system is devotion and adulation of the "Supreme Executive" and love for "The Troops":

Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism, fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation and asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Achigan on Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:51 pm

Our justice system still works, however imperfectly. Our votes still count, even if our political speech often gets drowned out by moneyed interests.

When this stops working then you can call this country anything you want.
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Anti Federalist on Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:11 pm

Achigan wrote:Our justice system still works, however imperfectly. Our votes still count, even if our political speech often gets drowned out by moneyed interests.

When this stops working then you can call this country anything you want.

Votes?

Hitler and the Nazi party was legally voted into power.
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  WHL on Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:55 pm

But wouldn't most people have to be devoted to a strong leader? I know are lot are devoted to the messiah but are enough? Is half enough? And wouldn't that half have to be the producers?
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Anti Federalist on Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:47 pm

WHL wrote:But wouldn't most people have to be devoted to a strong leader?  I know are lot are devoted to the messiah but are enough?  Is half enough?  And wouldn't that half have to be the producers?

All it will take to get 90 percent behind the Dear Leader is another terror attack.
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  WHL on Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:43 am

Anti Federalist wrote:
WHL wrote:But wouldn't most people have to be devoted to a strong leader?  I know are lot are devoted to the messiah but are enough?  Is half enough?  And wouldn't that half have to be the producers?

All it will take to get 90 percent behind the Dear Leader is another terror attack.

I really butchered that second sentence, didn't I??!! Glad you could figure out what I meant. I think, at least I hope at this point in time, it will take an awful lot to get 90% of the people behind Obama. Hey, I need to be optimistic, right?
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  News Buzzard on Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:30 am

This country is really a Plutocracy where the majority of the wealth and power is in the hands of a few. Citizens United really helped that along. Anyone who thinks this is a socialist country doesn't have a clue what socialism is!

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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Achigan on Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:49 am

News Buzzard wrote:This country is really a Plutocracy where the majority of the wealth and power is in the hands of a few. Citizens United really helped that along. Anyone who thinks this is a socialist country doesn't have a clue what socialism is!
 
You are right NB it is headed that way more and more.
 
Doesn't the Pledge of Allegiance" say: "and to the republic for which it stands." However I think we are more of a "democracy" then a "republic".
 
What has been going on would really trouble the Framers of the Constitution if they were still alive today.
 
Most of the blame can be attributed to the right wings way of thinking...wealth and power in the hands of a few.
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Post  Anti Federalist on Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:55 pm

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Post  Anti Federalist on Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:59 pm

Achigan wrote:You are right NB it is headed that way more and more.
 
Doesn't the Pledge of Allegiance" say: "and to the republic for which it stands." However I think we are more of a "democracy" then a "republic".
 
What has been going on would really trouble the Framers of the Constitution if they were still alive today.
 
Most of the blame can be attributed to the right wings way of thinking...wealth and power in the hands of a few.

Yes, a Free Republic, not a democracy.

They would be very troubled.


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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  News Buzzard on Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:24 pm

I still think the minority is somewhat protected in this country, and that would make us closer to a republic than a democracy. There are still checks and balances within our government, so absolute rule by the majority would be very difficult.

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Post  Anti Federalist on Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:38 pm

News Buzzard wrote:I still think the minority is somewhat protected in this country, and that would make us closer to a republic than a democracy. There are still checks and balances within our government, so absolute rule by the majority would be very difficult.

Just wait until the next "terror" attack.

And it's not even going to be question of majoritarian rule.

It will just simply be "Rule by Dear Leader".

It won't matter who the Dear Leader is when it happens.
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Achigan on Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:09 pm

Anti Federalist wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:I still think the minority is somewhat protected in this country, and that would make us closer to a republic than a democracy. There are still checks and balances within our government, so absolute rule by the majority would be very difficult.

Just wait until the next "terror" attack.

And it's not even going to be question of majoritarian rule.

It will just simply be "Rule by Dear Leader".

It won't matter who the Dear Leader is when it happens.

I hope the "Dear Leader" takes action if there is another terror attack...we sure can't wait for the republicans to help make a decision...all they will do is try to blame Obama for allowing it to happen. Our enemy knows this and they are counting on the republicans to stall any action taken against them. Thank God that we have a leader who knows what is best for ALL of us and will taken any action that the constitution will allow him to do.
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  WHL on Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:25 pm

Oh please, Achigan. It is the Dems game to blame the Repubs. not the other way around. You know as well as I do that Obama has blamed Bush and the Republican for everything since he has been elected.
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Post  Anti Federalist on Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:54 pm

Achigan wrote:I hope the "Dear Leader" takes action if there is another terror attack...we sure can't wait for the republicans to help make a decision...all they will do is try to blame Obama for allowing it to happen.  Our enemy knows this and they are counting on the republicans to stall any action taken against them.  Thank God that we have a leader who knows what is best for ALL of us and will taken any action that the constitution will allow him to do.

You sound, word for word, exactly like W supporters, circa 2004.
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Anti Federalist on Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:01 am

Democracy.

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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  WHL on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:53 am

Anti Federalist wrote:
Achigan wrote:I hope the "Dear Leader" takes action if there is another terror attack...we sure can't wait for the republicans to help make a decision...all they will do is try to blame Obama for allowing it to happen.  Our enemy knows this and they are counting on the republicans to stall any action taken against them.  Thank God that we have a leader who knows what is best for ALL of us and will taken any action that the constitution will allow him to do.

You sound, word for word, exactly like W supporters, circa 2004.

Sometimes I think Achigan is just stirring the pot and doesn't truly believe what he posts. He just can't believe what he posts can he, Anti???? I think he gets a big chuckle by telling us how much he worships Obama and how bad the Repubs. are. He can't really believe it-not as strongly as he posts anyway.
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Re: Lesson on Socialism

Post  Achigan on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:04 am

WHL wrote:
Anti Federalist wrote:
Achigan wrote:I hope the "Dear Leader" takes action if there is another terror attack...we sure can't wait for the republicans to help make a decision...all they will do is try to blame Obama for allowing it to happen.  Our enemy knows this and they are counting on the republicans to stall any action taken against them.  Thank God that we have a leader who knows what is best for ALL of us and will taken any action that the constitution will allow him to do.

You sound, word for word, exactly like W supporters, circa 2004.

Sometimes I think Achigan is just stirring the pot and doesn't truly believe what he posts.  He just can't believe what he posts can he, Anti???? I think he gets a big chuckle by telling us how much he worships Obama and how bad the Repubs. are.  He can't really believe it-not as strongly as he posts anyway.

Do you believe what you post? I don't post to stir the pot, you have already done that in most cases.
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Post  WHL on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:20 am

I am by far not as possessed by the Republican party as you are by the Democrat party. I am able to see the problems with both. You are unreasonbly biased. The Dems can do no wrong in your eyes.
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