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Post  WHL on Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:06 pm

From WMUR:




The WMUR Granite State Poll shows that 53 percent of Granite Staters say they are opposed to the health care law, with 34 percent in favor. In October, the same poll showed 47 percent opposed compared to 40 percent in favor.

"It's been unpopular since it was first proposed," said Andy Smith of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center. "And it's been more unpopular since it's been implemented."

The poll of 584 randomly selected New Hampshire adults was conducted by cellphone and landline by the UNH Survey Center from Jan. 21-26 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.1 percentage points.

Much of the pushback seems to be centered on how affordable health care will actually be.

"Sixty percent of New Hampshire residents believe that their health care costs will increase under the Affordable Care Act, and 6 percent think it will go down," Smith said. "Twenty-six percent think it will remain about the same."

As for whether the ACA has helped or hurt individual families so far, 10 percent said it has been a good thing, 22 percent said it has hurt their family, and 67 percent have yet to feel an impact.

The numbers are largely split along party lines, with more support among Democrats. Smith said it's clear that health care will be a defining issue in the 2014 elections.

"I think what you are going to see among Democrats is they are going to put the best face forward on the impact of the act, but the other thing they are going to try to do is change the subject to anything but health care," Smith said.



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Post  Achigan on Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:36 pm

The one thing that stands out in that article is that "67 percent have yet to feel an impact". That statement alone shows that the poll is stupid because if it hasn't impacted "67 percent" of the poll takers then everything else is speculation.

It's a useless poll.
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Post  WHL on Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:10 pm

Of course it's useless because you don't like what it says.
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Post  Achigan on Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:35 pm

WHL wrote:Of course it's useless because you don't like what it says.

The article says: "Sixty percent of New Hampshire residents believe that their health care costs will increase under the Affordable Care Act"

HOWEVER "67 percent have yet to feel an impact".

Now does that make any sense to you??  They haven't been impacted but they think they will.  Why even put that in a poll??

It also says "The numbers are largely split along party lines, with more support among Democrats".  Why not tell us the results of the democrat responses compared to the republican responses in actual numbers.

If I made a report like that during my days of statistical reporting I would have been fired.

The poll should look like this:

Republican                 Democrat                 other
1.  Are you opposed to the ACA

2.  Are you in favor of the ACA

3.  Has the ACA impacted your family.
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Post  Achigan on Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:06 pm

I found the data that I wanted at the UNH Survey Center

1.  Are you opposed to the ACA.......... Liberal 20%...........................Conservative   80%

2.  Are you in favor of the ACA............Liberal  70%...........................Conservative   6%

3.  Has the ACA impacted your family...Liberal  18%...........................Conservative  32%

Now you tell me why that wasn't put in the paper instead of the averages.  It's all a game depending on who puts out the data to the media.

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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:06 am

Thanks for posting that, Achigan. There are many reasons for high insurance premiums in the state, and in the end Obamacare is not going away. The sooner the Republicans accept that, the better off we'll all be.

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Post  Achigan on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:39 am

You are welcome NB.

As you can see by the line chart the GOP is the bottom line which didn't go above 20% with an average of @ 6%.

That is what UNH should have pointed out and made clear that the GOP skewed the results of the poll.

It boils down to the fact that the GOP hates President Obama and not the ACA.  The republicans in that poll wouldn't have said yes to anything that President Obama wants to do.  Most of them don't even know what ACA stands for.

It's a shame that the media and UNH puts stuff out like this which makes more hate and discontent between the two parties.

People like WHL who probably have never done a statistical analysis of anything will take what numbers makes them happy and spread it all over the internet. Why do they do that, because the media knows they will and as you can see WHL did just that.
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Heath insruance rates climb.....Oh wait....they aren't...how can this be?

Post  obervantone on Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:26 am

Anthem: 2015 rates in health marketplace stay flat
By Holly Ramer
| Associated Press   October 25, 2014

CONCORD, N.H. — Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield of New Hampshire said Friday that on average, its customers who have purchased insurance plans under the federal health care overhaul law will see no increases in premiums next year.

Anthem was the only company selling health plans through the new marketplace this year, but it will be joined by two other private insurance companies — Harvard Pilgrim and Assurant — and two cooperatives — Maine Community Health Options and Minuteman — when enrollment re-opens on Nov. 15 for coverage that will take effect in January.

Anthem said its overall rates will remain flat, but some policyholders could see changes depending on their individual plans, their ages and whether they smoke tobacco.

‘‘Considering all of the uncertainties we faced being the only insurer to offer exchange plans in 2014, we are really pleased to be able to offer our customers not only continued affordability but also price stability,’’ the company said.

Last year, the sticker-price premium for a mid-range benchmark plan averaged $360 per month for an individual, before the application of tax credits that work like a n upfront discount for most consumers. Plans are divided into ‘‘metal levels” that differ in the amount of cost-sharing through annual deductibles and copayments. Bronze plans — which have the lowest premiums and the highest cost-sharing — cover 60 percent of expected costs, while platinum cover 90 percent.

Anthem plans to offer 10 individual plans — nine metal-level plans plus one catastrophic plan — and three group plans for small businesses.

Maine Community Health, which offered plans in Maine this year, said its average rates also will remain stable. The monthly premiums for a 25-year-old range from $204 for bronze-level coverage to $306 for gold-level coverage. For a 50-year-old, the same coverage would range from $364 for bronze to $545 for gold.

The total number of plans available to individuals is expected grow past 50, and each New Hampshire hospital is expected to be included in at least three of the provider networks.

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Post  News Buzzard on Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:45 pm

Thanks for that report, Obervantone. Prior to Obamacare a single person's policy was running about $9 thousand a year, or $750 a month. It's also great news that each New Hampshire hospital will be involved. It won't stop the Republican's demagoguery, but they don't have a prayer for repeal!

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Post  WHL on Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:32 pm

First of all NB, the article is talking about the individuals who are insured UNDER Obamacare not regular insurance. And you cannot say that last year it cost someone $760 a month as that figure varies greatly depending on age and other circumstances. And you cannot compare subsidized care to care that someone is paying the whole premium. Anthem for my company did NOT go down this year because we are not subsidized and I would be thrilled if I could insure my employees for only 360 a month for an individual. Maybe I should stop paying my employees health care and let them insure themselves, huh? See what is going to happen with your wonderful Obamamcare!!
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Post  obervantone on Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:02 pm

So you object to health insurance at a better rate for those who previously did not have any, therefore when they needed health care the taxpayer picked up the entire cost? As Obamacare continues to grow into its full potential less and less of the cost will fall on taxpayers.
I have a family plan with BC/BS through my employer and pay just under $500 a month for a PPO. If you can't do better than that for your employees then you need to have a talk with your contact at the insurance co.

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Post  WHL on Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:45 pm

I wish everybody's health insurance was cheaper. I wish everybody's was free but now that's ridiculous isn't it?

Believe me I do shop my health insurance and there is just nothing out there any less expensive for my company. I shop it every year. I would love to have a family plan for 500. Our individual plan is that. Don't forget it all depends on age of employees and we have a lot of older employees, who have been with us more than 25 years, health, if they are smokers, heavy etc. It is all in the ratings. You probably work for a huge company where there are a lot of younger people who help even out the premium consideration. Don't forget also, our part of NH has very little competition. If you are in the southern part of the state you have more to choose from. Every year I compare prices and I get the best price I can. The last three years we have not changed, we have gotten the best price with Anthem.
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Post  News Buzzard on Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:11 pm

WHL wrote:First of all NB, the article is talking about the individuals who are insured UNDER Obamacare not regular insurance.  And you cannot say that last year it cost someone $760 a month as that figure varies greatly depending on age and other circumstances.  And you cannot compare subsidized care to care that someone is paying the whole premium.  Anthem for my company did NOT go down this year because we are not subsidized and I would be thrilled if I could insure my employees for only 360 a month for an individual.  Maybe I should stop paying my employees health care and let them insure themselves, huh? See what is going to happen with your wonderful Obamamcare!!

The cost for the town for a single employee is about $9 thousand a yr, or $750 a month. A family policy is in the vicinity of $26 thousand a year. How many families can afford $2 thousand a month for health insurance?? That's your wonderful system!! I told you a long time ago, WHL, to look into Obamacare!

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Post  obervantone on Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:07 am

WHL....and that is the system you want to keep??? I am over 60 and I have TWO forms of cancer and my premium is still less that $500 for a PPO! Time for you to start doing some research.

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Post  WHL on Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:36 am

Guess it's time for the town to start doing some research too, then Observantone. If you have any suggestions I am open to them. As I am sure the town would be. I guess I can always drop it and tell them to get their own through Obamacare, huh?
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Copying the Soviet Union—not such a great idea...

Post  News Hawk on Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:17 am

News Buzzard wrote: "...I told you a long time ago, WHL, to look into Obamacare...!"

Where health care is free-free-FREE-FREE!

Rolling Eyes

Until Socialism runs out of Other Peoples Money—then you'll be looking at Costa Rica to find your doctor.

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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:32 am

News Hawk wrote:Where health care is free-free-FREE-FREE!

Says the guy on Medicare!! That's like the pot calling the kettle black! Rolling Eyes  "I got mine!" says the Florida resident!! No

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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:42 am

WHL wrote:Guess it's time for the town to start doing some research too, then Observantone.  If you have any suggestions I am open to them.  As I am sure the town would be.  I guess I can always drop it and tell them to get their own through Obamacare, huh?

The town just switched carriers about 2 years ago, WHL, and saved close to $200 thousand a year. The real problem with the prices is the cost of healthcare, and that has nothing to do with Obama. There is no way that one chemo treatment should cost $50 thousand, or a few hours stay in an ER should cost between $5 and $10 thousand. The entire structure of healthcare costs has to be brought down for health insurance to be affordable to everyone.

I have a great deal of admiration for employers who provide health insurance for their employees, WHL, and the fact you've had some people for 25 years shows they appreciate it.

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Post  WHL on Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:10 am

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WHL wrote:Guess it's time for the town to start doing some research too, then Observantone.  If you have any suggestions I am open to them.  As I am sure the town would be.  I guess I can always drop it and tell them to get their own through Obamacare, huh?

The town just switched carriers about 2 years ago, WHL, and saved close to $200 thousand a year. The real problem with the prices is the cost of healthcare, and that has nothing to do with Obama. There is no way that one chemo treatment should cost $50 thousand, or a few hours stay in an ER should cost between $5 and $10 thousand. The entire structure of healthcare costs has to be brought down for health insurance to be affordable to everyone.

I have a great deal of admiration for employers who provide health insurance for their employees, WHL, and the fact you've had some people for 25 years shows they appreciate it.

Of course the town shops their insurance just as I do. You just proved to O that we re doing the best we can. He has told me twice I need to find something less expensive but it's just not out there. Thank you. Insurances is just expensive in our area. And I also agree with you totally that what needed to be done was refine the COST of health care, not just come up with a program that gives it away free to people. As NH said, what happens when they run out of other people's money? The prices you mentioned do need to be brought down and real reform would have done that. We can hope for that in the future as well as more competition in insurance.

THank you again. We have had some employees for almost thirty years. Around 10 I think. In 2015 we have our 30th anniversary.
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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:04 pm

Congratulations, in advance, on your anniversary!

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Post  WHL on Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:55 pm

Thanks!!
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Post  obervantone on Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:47 pm

I do find it interesting that conservatives oppose the individual mandate of Obamacare when they are the ones that came up with the idea. At least according to this liberal source. Smile
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/28/individual-health-care-insurance-mandate-has-long-checkered-past/

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Post  obervantone on Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:07 pm

What I would suggest WHL is for you and a group of your fellow small business owners to get together, compare your costs and then go to Concord and demand that the insurance commission, or the NH equivalent, explain why a 60+ person with 2 forms of cancer can buy insurance for he and his family from the same company that you use for what you have said is a premium that is much less than the same company charges your healthy employees.


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Post  WHL on Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:42 am

Unfortunately I wouldn't waste my time going to Concord. I spent more than a year going there with a group of fellow business people on another subject and for all the good it did us, I wouldn't bother again. You have to really know lobbyists to get things changed in Concord as in any gov. They are all the same from local up.
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Post  obervantone on Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:36 am

I wouldn't waste my time going to Concord
Then what can I say...sit at the keyboard and piss and moan about how bad things are and how you WISH you could offer YOUR employees the premiums that
I am paying...that'll work.

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