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Post  Anti Federalist Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:36 am

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by eric • February 6, 2014

http://ericpetersautos.com/2014/02/06/tax-mile-moves-forward-another-step/

I hate to say I told you so . . .  but, yeah, I told you so.

The fuel-efficient (and planet friendly) hybrid/electric vehicles the government has been aggressively encouraging people to buy via generous (with other people’s money) manufacturer and retail subsidies/tax incentives?

The ever-upticking of federal fuel efficiency mandates  -  set to crest 35 MPG on average less than two years from now and then, perhaps ascend to 54.5 MPG by 2025 – that were touted as a way to make driving more “affordable” for cash-strapped Americans?

It was another long con.

The object has never been to give American drivers a break, to make it less expensive to get around. It has always been to construct yet another way to fleece and control them. By pushing “efficient” cars, a new crisis has been manufactured: There’s not adequate revenue from motor fuels taxes flowing into state and county coffers because hybrid/electric cars and the latest fuel-sippy conventional cars are too efficient.

And the solution to this manufactured crisis?

Tax drivers by the mile instead.

Washington state’s Transportation Commission is pushing for exactly that – and it’s merely the opening libretto for what will inevitably become as inescapable as income and property taxes.

The “. . . move to cleaner, smarter vehicles must be accompanied by a change in the way we pay for our roads” announces the official release accompanying pending highway funding proposals (news story here).

And the “new way” is making drivers pay for every mile they travel.

The irony? Hybrid/electric car and conventional economy car owners would pay just as much as the guy driving a 10 MPG Hummer.

And they’ll all be paying through the nose.

But at least the Hummer driver gets to drive… well, a Hummer. The Prius driver is stuck with his Al Goremobile – and no “discount” for being concerned about his “footprint” or energy use.

So much for saving the planet.

If it passes, the system would begin to be put into place by 2015.

And it’s a two-fer.

Not only is it a new way to tax – and to increase taxes (people will pay more per-mile than they currently pay at the pump) it is also a way to monitor people’s movements. To know exactly how far they drive – and, potentially – when and where they drive.

Also how fast they drive there.

How so?

By real-time data transmission, via the receive/transmit capability most new cars (and most recent model cars) have had built into them. Some of this is already mandated by law. Event Data Recorders (“black boxes”) for instance. And the government is at this very moment “considering” that so-called Vehicle to Vehicle (V2V) communications capability be made mandatory (news story here). V2V would mean all new cars continuously broadcast their location, their speed and other data to other cars in the area – ostensibly to reduce crashes due to driver inattention. Of course this data would be “open” – like Wi Fi at Starbucks -  and could just as easily be received/recorded by government for purposes other than “safety.”

It is no great leap forward, in terms of technology, to have a car periodically transmit its current odometer reading – and other data – to a government server. You’d be dunned automatically, perhaps – as is already done using those “EZ Pass” electronic transponders many commuters already have in their cars, in order to not have to stop at toll booths.

But unlike EZ Pass – which you don’t have to have – in this case, you’d have no choice. Submit to government monitoring of your driving and be taxed accordingly.

Or be an outlaw.

The logic flows ineluctably. It will be so much more efficient this way. No need to go in for periodic odometer checks. Just like Smart Meters which transmit data about your electricity usage. It will all be handled seamlessly by  – one can almost hear the echo of Dr. Strangelove – computers.

The plan set forth by the Washington State Transportation Commission practically drools with anticipation over the prospect of the projected $3 billion haul that could be achieved by direct mulcting of motorists as opposed to motor fuels taxes.

Other state government apparatchiks are surely drooling, too.

Bear in mind that motor fuels taxes are already extortionate. Grossly regressive and disproportionate. On average, the price of a gallon of gas includes at least 50 cents in federal/state/local taxes (see here for Congressional Budget Office breakdown).

Consider that.

On a purchase of 15 gallons of gas – which is the tank capacity of the typical compact car nowadays – you’re paying about $8 in taxes.

Now, they want you to pay more. A great deal more.

And not just money.

They want more than merely money.

They want power. To micromanage and control your every movement. It is of a piece with “health care” reform – which encompasses literally everything.

We have arrived at a watershed moment. These people who have arrogated virtually unlimited power are no longer the least bit shy about asserting it. Nothing is beyond their purview. Not how we live, not how how we recreate, not what we eat and drink. Not whom we hire or rent to or even whom we marry.

And soon, not even how far we drive.

If, that is, we simply accept it.

As we have already accepted altogether too many things – from “Homeland” security to genital fondling at the airport to vaginal/anal probing by the side of the road to summary executions of grampas in their garages in the name of “officer safety.”

It has got to be stopped or else – well, it’s going to continue. And, get a whole lot worse.

Simple as that.

When enough of us finally stand our grand and make it clear we’ve had enough, then they’ll back off. But not before. We’ve given them the proverbial inch – and they’ve taken miles.

It’s time to hit the brakes – or else they will step on the gas.

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Post  WHL Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:29 am

I am wondering how they will collect it.  They will have to have people have an acct. like EZpass and when it runs out of money your car stops.  Otherwise, good luck in collecting from people.  And it would certainly cost a fortune to send bills which many people wouldn't bother to pay as I said.  This gov. is so money hungry it is pathetic.  BTW, I am willing to beT the guy that wrote that article has had a visit by the IRS.


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Post  News Buzzard Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:33 am

It's about time our government got serious about climate change and the wasteful burning of a fossil fuels. I suppose the roads will fix themselves!    Rolling Eyes
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Post  Matzoh Heppelwhite. Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:08 am

WHL wrote:I am wondering how they will collect it.  They will have to have people have an acct. like EZpass and when it runs out of money your car stops.  Otherwise, good luck in collecting from people.  And it would certainly cost a fortune to send bills which many people wouldn't bother to pay as I said.  This gov. is so money hungry it is pathetic.  BTW, I am willing to be the guy that wrote that article has had a visit by the IRS.
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You're willing to be the guy that wrote the article?
Why?
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Post  WHL Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:39 am

Really??? You hardly ever contribute to this forum but had to come on here to tell me I didn't hit the t hard enough? I will add a t to be to make the word bet. It does change the whole meaning in this case I will give you that-although I think most people could have figured it out.
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Post  News Buzzard Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:55 am

I'm willing to be that won't be WHL's last mistake!   Razz
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Post  Achigan Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:06 am

It's a two fold situation; use fuels that emit less carbon dioxide (CO2), and fix our roads by whatever formula works out for the tax payer.

The only way we can find out is by experimentation and that is what some states are doing.

Around two years ago I read about the 1.5 cent per mile experiment that some state/s were going to implement. They should be getting some data from that and it will be interesting to see how things worked out.
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Post  News Buzzard Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:36 am

I agree that more experimentation is called for, but a blanket criticism of the big-brother state by the Right is not a solution. Most of our society (not me) has voluntarily given up their privacy anyway, I mean do people really have to swipe a card for a cup of coffee and a bagel? How about pulling a few bucks out of one's pocket?
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Post  Achigan Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:01 am

News Buzzard wrote:I agree that more experimentation is called for, but a blanket criticism of the big-brother state by the Right is not a solution. Most of our society (not me) has voluntarily given up their privacy anyway, I mean do people really have to swipe a card for a cup of coffee and a bagel? How about pulling a few bucks out of one's pocket?

That's a good analogy about people voluntarily given up their privacy.

I'm glad that individual States are taking the initiative to fix a problem instead of waiting for the federal government to do it. The U.S. Congress can't stop fighting between each other long enough to accomplish anything constructive.

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Post  Outerlimits Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:21 am

News Buzzard wrote:It's about time our government got serious about climate change and the wasteful burning of a fossil fuels. I suppose the roads will fix themselves!    Rolling Eyes

We collect plenty of taxes and fees to pay for the maintenance of our infrastructure. The problem is the revenue does not go where it is supposed to go.

Federal fuel tax
State fuel tax.
Taxes on refinement and delivery.
Driver’s license fees
Registration fees
Car tags
Wheel taxes
Excise tax
Property tax
Tolls.

Aren't we taxed enough to drive?

We are already taxed by the mile; the gas tax is just that. The more miles you drive, the more fuel you use, the more tax you pay. Small fuel efficient cars pay less tax, big vehicles pay more tax.

It is clear, this is just another scheme to allow the government to feed the Federal leviathan and control behavior.

Don't you realize that everything you consume arrives on a gas/diesel driven vehicle? Any increase on the manufacturing or delivery of a product or service gets passed on to the consumer. PERIOD. How much more are you willingly to pay for groceries, the plumber, the home health nurse, the trash truck? Everything you consume will cost more and it will be the poor and the elderly that are the biggest losers. That is unless the left requires subsidies to those who can’t afford it.

Tax, tax & tax some more.

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Post  WHL Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:44 am

Outerlimits wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:It's about time our government got serious about climate change and the wasteful burning of a fossil fuels. I suppose the roads will fix themselves!    Rolling Eyes

We collect plenty of taxes and fees to pay for the maintenance of our infrastructure.  The problem is the revenue does not go where it is supposed to go.

Federal fuel tax
State fuel tax.
Taxes on refinement and delivery.
Driver’s license fees
Registration fees
Car tags
Wheel taxes
Excise tax
Property tax
Tolls.

Aren't we taxed enough to drive?

We are already taxed by the mile; the gas tax is just that. The more miles you drive, the more fuel you use, the more tax you pay.  Small fuel efficient cars pay less tax, big vehicles pay more tax.

It is clear, this is just another scheme to allow the government to feed the Federal leviathan and control behavior.  

Don't you realize that everything you consume arrives on a gas/diesel driven vehicle?  Any increase on the manufacturing or delivery of a product or service gets passed on to the consumer.  PERIOD.  How much more are you willingly to pay for groceries, the plumber, the home health nurse, the trash truck?  Everything you consume will cost more and it will be the poor and the elderly that are the biggest losers.  That is unless the left requires subsidies to those who can’t afford it.  

Tax, tax & tax some more.

Henry Ford didn’t have to shoot the horse to sell his cars.

Absolutely!!!!! As the left would say, thanks for that post, Outer!!!!
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Post  Anti Federalist Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:26 pm

When did the left give up on becoming the advocate for civil liberties and privacy?

Unless it has something to do with being gay or abortion, they don't care.

Just another bunch of closet authoritarians, just like the establishment right, that they claim to hate so much.

Not a dime's worth of difference.

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Post  Anti Federalist Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:31 pm

LOL, in your knee jerk reaction, you can't even digest the ramifications of this.

Tax by mile will do just the opposite of what you claim to want to do.

Under this scheme, there is no incentive to save fuel, since I'm paying the same tax regardless if I drive a Prius or an F-350 with a big block V-8.

This has nothing to do with taxes, it's all about surveillance.


News Buzzard wrote:It's about time our government got serious about climate change and the wasteful burning of a fossil fuels. I suppose the roads will fix themselves!    Rolling Eyes
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Post  Matzoh Heppelwhite. Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:57 pm

WHL wrote:Really???  You hardly ever contribute to this forum but had to come on here to tell me I didn't hit the t hard enough?  I will add a t to be to make the word bet.  It does change the whole meaning in this case I will give you that-although I think most people could have figured it out.  
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Post  Achigan Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:12 pm

I think that in the end the tax rate per gallon will be raised to meet the needs of repairing roads and bridges. That way those that want an economical car that gets high gas mileage can still enjoy a lower cost to drive.
 
There is going to be way too much cost to setup an account, track mileage, and collect payments with this 1.5 cents per mile idea.
Also the uproar about privacy concerns will slow things down considerably.
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Post  Matzoh Heppelwhite. Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:34 pm

Road conditions are of no concern when one travels by magic carpet.
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Post  Achigan Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:42 pm

Matzoh Heppelwhite. wrote:Road conditions are of no concern when one travels by magic carpet.

Good point Matzoh. How about privacy concerns, do you feel like you are being watched by big brother while traveling on your magic carpet?

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Post  WHL Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:06 pm

They will raise taxes some more and the road will still not get fixed. And they will say the reason is they don't have enough money, they need more taxes. It's just like education. No matter how much money they have they will still say they don't have enough. As Cavuto says, what happened to all the taxes they already collected?
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Post  Achigan Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:40 pm

WHL wrote: It's just like education.  No matter how much money they have they will still say they don't have enough.  

Evidently when you went to school they didn't spend very much money on education...it really shows.
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Post  Matzoh Heppelwhite. Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:23 pm

Achigan wrote:
Matzoh Heppelwhite. wrote:Road conditions are of no concern when one travels by magic carpet.

Good point Matzoh.  How about privacy concerns, do you feel like you are being watched by big brother while traveling on your magic carpet?

No.
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Post  Achigan Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:39 pm

Matzoh Heppelwhite. wrote:
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Matzoh Heppelwhite. wrote:Road conditions are of no concern when one travels by magic carpet.

Good point Matzoh.  How about privacy concerns, do you feel like you are being watched by big brother while traveling on your magic carpet?

No.

Good.
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Post  Anti Federalist Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:44 pm

Achigan wrote:
Matzoh Heppelwhite. wrote:Road conditions are of no concern when one travels by magic carpet.

Good point Matzoh.  How about privacy concerns, do you feel like you are being watched by big brother while traveling on your magic carpet?

I repeat:

When did the left give up on becoming the advocate for civil liberties and privacy?

Unless it has something to do with being gay or abortion, they don't care.

Just another bunch of closet authoritarians, just like the establishment right, that they claim to hate so much.

Not a dime's worth of difference.

When W was doing the same exact thing, the left was screaming blue murder.

Just a bunch of hypocrites and mindless cheerleaders.

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Post  Achigan Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:59 pm

You could be right about the spying, when I went to Google I got this screen:
 
 
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Post  Achigan Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:13 pm

I walked by a flag today and I swear someone was watching me.


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