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Post  News Hawk on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:56 pm

Did he intentionally turn himself over to the Taliban???

He left his gun, gear, took only water and a knife, walked off his outpost in eastern Afghanistan…

Why is this happening now?  Is there a political side to this conversation?  Is our government doing yet another showboat, trying to appear to have our best interest a heart yet doing more to help our enemies than to further our true national interests?

Does anyone but me remember how many American soldiers gave their lives in a futile search for Bergdahl after he walked off his post, avoiding our sentries (because he knew where they were located around the base) and was simply… picked up… by the Taliban?

Have we traded a ton of gold in the form of the highest level enemy prisoners, senior Taliban/al Qaeda staff, for an ounce of lead in the form of a deserter???


"The command can say 'This fellow has been living in terrible conditions. We don't approve of what he did but we're not going to prosecute him,'" he said. "Or, the military could prosecute him as a way of signaling to others that 'Look, you can't simply go over the hill.' ... It's quite an interesting set of issues that will have to be addressed as a matter of both policy and law."

Desertion can be difficult to prove, said Ret. Maj. Gen. John Altenburg Jr., a Washington attorney who served 28 years as a lawyer in the Army.

"There has to be some evidence that he intended never to come back - that he intended to remain away from his unit permanently," Altenburg said.

"I don't know if they'll charge him with anything. It will depend on the circumstances of his return and what he has to say."

Mary Schantag, chairman of the P.O.W. Network, an educational nonprofit group founded in 1989, said it's futile to speculate. "He is an American soldier in enemy hands. Period. Bring him home," she said.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, a member of the House Armed Services Committee and former Marine who served two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, agreed.

"It's hard to imagine any circumstance where his captivity won't be viewed as time served," said Hunter, R-Calif. "The first order of business is securing his release and I don't think it does an ounce of good to begin contemplating that far ahead when the focus is on getting him home."
—CBS News

The answer from Washington better be good! Now they're saying, "We got him home, didn't we"?



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Post  WHL on Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:10 pm

The only thing TV did was try to make it look like Obama was a hero to free a prisoner.  

I also read that what Obama did in freeing this man was illegal.  He can't do that without Congress-but what else is new?
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Post  News Hawk on Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:04 pm



ALL KILLED IN ACTION SEARCHING FOR BERGDAHL:

•PFC Matthew Michael Martinek,Died September 11, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 20, of DeKalb, Ill.; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Sept. 11 at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, Germany, of wounds sustained in Paktika province, Afghanistan, Sept. 4 when enemy forces attacked his vehicle with an improvised-explosive device followed by a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire.

•Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss,Died August 26, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 27, of Murray, Utah; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Aug. 26 in Sar Howzeh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when he was shot while his unit was supporting Afghan security forces during an enemy attack.

•SSG Clayton Bowen,Died August 18, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 29, of San Antonio; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Airborne Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Aug. 18 in Dila, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle. Also killed was Pfc. Morris L. Walker.

•PFC Morris Walker,Died August 18, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 23, of Chapel Hill, N.C.; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Airborne Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Aug. 18 in Dila, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle. Also killed was Staff Sgt. Clayton P. Bowen.

•SSG Michael Murphrey,Died September 6, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 25, of Snyder, Texas; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Sept. 6 in FOB Sharana, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his unit with an improvised explosive device. were ALL KIA FROM OUR UNIT WHO DIED LOOKING FOR Bergdahl .
•Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/bergdahl-snuck-off-post-to-join-taliban-at-least-six-americans-were-killed-trying-to-find-him/

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Re: Bergdahl a Hero?

Post  WHL on Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:44 pm

Shock, shock.  Now even the mainstream media isn't standing up for Obama as much.

This guy, Bergdahl, is at best a deserter and at worst a terrorist and traitor (or maybe more) who is responsible for the death of several others.  What in the world was Obama thinking?  Did he think it would be kept a secret-that all this wouldn't come out?
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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:52 pm

Article 2 of the Constitution gives the president executive powers, and in this case Obama said he was discussing the swap with congress for a long time when the exigent circumstances arose to do the swap. What does all of this mean? Probably more useless hearings by the Republicans.  Sleep

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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:16 pm

Former Bush official: "Bush would have done the same thing."

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/06/03/3444366/former-bush-official-blasts-gop-bush-would-have-agreed-to-bergdahl-swap/

Bush released some 500 detainees from Gitmo.

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Post  News Hawk on Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:16 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Former Bush official: "Bush would have done the same thing."

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/06/03/3444366/former-bush-official-blasts-gop-bush-would-have-agreed-to-bergdahl-swap/

Bush released some 500 detainees from Gitmo.

Both have the same good idea.

The U.S. can't kill them while they're in Guantanamo...

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BUT...today...

The Obama administration condemned Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s release of 65 hardened Taliban fighters
four months ago, even though the White House on Saturday approved the exchange of five terrorists leaders for a soldier suspected of deserting his post.

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Post  News Hawk on Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:28 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Article 2 of the Constitution gives the president executive powers, and in this case Obama said he was discussing the swap with congress for a long time when the exigent circumstances arose to do the swap. What does all of this mean? Probably more useless hearings by the Republicans.  Sleep

President Obama used an Article 2 signing statement to deem unconstitutional a measure he had signed into law contained in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

The law stated that he must advise Congress within 30 days about any plans to transfer detainees from GITMO. Obama basically stated that this was “unconstitutional” and that his unilateral action fell within his purview.

He makes the law...then breaks the law.


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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:38 pm

News Hawk wrote:He makes the law...then breaks the law.

According to you.   Rolling Eyes I guess you'd rather abandon one of our POWs, AWOL or not.  No

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Post  WHL on Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:27 am

You libs are just like little kids.  When Obama does something you scream "he did it too!"  Grow up will ya'?
So what if Bush did it too.  It doesn't make Bush right either.
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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:03 am

WHL wrote:It doesn't make Bush right either.

Who created Gitmo, WHL?

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:27 am

John McCain was for Bergdahl's release before he was against it.  Rolling Eyes 

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/03/cnn-lets-john-mccain-off-the-hook-for-shifting/199561

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:09 pm

That's funny. You assume desertion before you give the soldier a fair hearing ? What about his constitutional rights ? Does the Constitution not apply in this case because it's convenient for you ? Enjoy the train ride to Crazytown !

http://news.yahoo.com/video/secretary-hagel-calls-bergdahl-claims-142533907.html

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Post  WHL on Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:57 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
WHL wrote:It doesn't make Bush right either.

Who created Gitmo, WHL?
If you're talking about when did it become a place for prisoners, it was during the Bush Administration of course.  Did you just ask that to blame Bush for creating it?  Where was he supposed to put those criminals who would like to see all of us dead?  In our prisons so they could have their RIGHTS???? So we could pay for attorneys for them?  So they would have a right to a fair trial as they are really very gentle men who just need a little understanding?  Will you ever wake up, NB?
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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:06 pm

The recidivism of released prisoners from Gitmo dropped sharply under Obama. Under Bush the rate was 30%, which was disastrous. Bush couldn't do anything right !

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Post  News Hawk on Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:05 pm

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Post  News Hawk on Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:35 pm

'Almost seems like Obama’s got a soft spot for the Taliban?

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Post  News Pigeon on Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:57 pm

WHL wrote:You libs are just like little kids.  When Obama does something you scream "he did it too!"  Grow up will ya'?
So what if Bush did it too.  It doesn't make Bush right either.

Was Reagan right when he negotiated with terrorists?
. On Saturday, December 7, Reagan noted in his diary:

Day opened with "Rex" (our new dog) on our bed. I then had a meeting with Don R., Cap W. and Bud M., John P., Geo. Schultz and Mahan of C.I.A. This had to do with the complex plan which could return our 5 hostages & help some officials in Iran who want to turn that country from its present course & on to a better relationship with us. It calls for Israel selling some weapons to Iran. As they are delivered in installments by air our hostages will be released. The weapons will go to the moderate leaders in the army who are essential if there is to be a change to a more stable govt. We then sell Israel replacements for the delivered weapons. None of this is a gift--the Iranians pay cash for the weapons--so does Israel.

George S. Cap and Don are opposed--Cong. has imposed a law that we can't sell Iran weapons or sell any other country weapons for resale to Iran. Geo. also thinks this violates our policy of not paying off terrorists. I claim the weapons are for those who want to change the govt of Iran & no ransom is being pd. for the hostages. No direct sale would be made by us to Iran but we would be replacing the weapons sold by Israel.
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Post  News Hawk on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:20 am

(Excerpt)

What Winston Churchill said of Secretary of State John Foster Dulles — that he was a bull who carried his own china shop around with him — is true of Susan Rice, who is, to be polite, accident-prone . When in September 2012 she was deputed to sell to the public the fable that the Benghazi attack was just an unfortunately vigorous movie review — a response to an Internet video — it could have been that she, rather than Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, was given this degrading duty because Rice was merely U.N. ambassador, an ornamental position at an inconsequential institution.

Today, however, Rice is Barack Obama’s national security adviser, so two conclusions must be drawn.

Perhaps she did not know, in advance of the swap of five terrorists for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the, shall we say, ambiguities about Bergdahl’s departure from his platoon in Afghanistan and the reportedly deadly consequences of his behavior. If so, then she has pioneered a degree of incompetence exotic even for this 10-thumbed administration. If, however, she did know and still allowed Obama to present this as a mellow moment of national satisfaction, she is condign punishment for his choice of such hirelings.

Perhaps this exchange really is, as Obama said in defending it, an excellent thing “regardless of the circumstances, whatever those circumstances may turn out to be.” His confidence in its excellence is striking, considering that he acknowledges that we do not know the facts about what would seem to be important “circumstances.”

Such as the note Bergdahl reportedly left before disappearing, in which he supposedly said he did not approve of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan. And the notably strong and numerous expressions of anger by members of Bergdahl’s battalion concerning his comportment and its costs.

Obama did not comply with the law requiring presidents to notify Congress 30 days before such exchanges of prisoners at Guantanamo. Politico can be cited about this not because among the media it is exceptionally, well, understanding of Obama’s exuberant notion of executive latitude but because it is not. Politico headlined a story on his noncompliance with the law “Obama May Finally Be Going Rogue on Gitmo.” It said Obama’s “assertive” act “defied Congress” — Congress, not the rule of law — in order “to get that process [of closing the prison at Guantanamo] moving.” It sent “a clear message” that “Obama is now willing to wield his executive powers to get the job done.” Or, as used to be said in extenuation of strong leaders, “to make the trains run on time.”  [Mussolini]
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Hagel Suffers Silence from Troops...

Post  News Hawk on Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:11 am


Questions persisted, too, about the circumstances of Bergdahl’s 2009 capture. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel declined to comment on earlier reports that the sergeant had walked away from his unit, disillusioned with the war. Such matters “will be dealt with later,” Hagel said.

Hagel, visiting troops in Afghanistan, was met with silence when he told a group of them in a Bagram Air Field hangar: “This is a happy day. We got one of our own back.” It was unclear whether the absence of cheers and applause came from a reluctance to display emotion in front of the Pentagon chief or from any doubts among the troops about Bergdahl.
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Post  News Buzzard on Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:25 am

You are like a car with no compression, all noise and no power. You're not going anywhere with this one. Obama brought back a POW in a prisoner exchange that has clear precedence, including the one in Israel where they traded a thousand prisoners for one soldier. The 30 day notice criteria doesn't mean a hill of beans in an exigent circumstance, and the 30 day notice rule is probably unconstitutional anyway. Let the Republicans test this one in court. The only thing they know how to do is whine anyway.

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Post  News Hawk on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:16 am


You know things are tough for President Obama when some his biggest fans start taking shots at their guy. Over at NBC News, usually a reliable cheerleader for the president, foreign correspondent Richard Engel has accused the administration of being less "forthcoming" than the Taliban in the Bowe Bergdahl fiasco. The Taliban! And just last week, Engel was unable to name a single nation with which our relations have improved under the Obama administration.

The New York Times editorial scribes recently described the president's big speech at West Point as "uninspiring," concluding it "did not match the hype." And that was before the Bowe Bergdahl controversy and the president's unilateral decision to swap five high-level Taliban jihadists for one alleged deserter. Law experts left and right questioned the legality of the move, and liberal law professor Jonathan Turley actually characterized Barack Obama as "the president Richard Nixon always wanted to be." To borrow from a certain bard, that has to be the unkindest cut of all.


It was simply stunning to see Susan Rice trotted out to declare that Bowe Bergdahl "served with honor and distinction." Everyone other than Bergdahl's father knew that was almost certainly not true. A lie. Shouldn't Ms. Rice have spoken with a bit of caution after her shameful misstatements about Benghazi? Apparently the Obama gang doesn't put much credence in the adage about experience being the best teacher. Then, to add insult to implausibility, the White House's shell-shocked spokesman Jay Carney tried mightily to defend Susan Rice's laughable claims.

Rice and Carney probably weren't tuned in five years ago when Fox News strategic analyst Lt. Col Ralph Peters said this: "The media has been turning this guy, a probable deserter and certainly AWOL in the combat zone, as some kind of hero." Now that Bergdahl has been released by the Taliban, his former platoon mates are finally free to talk about his service, which was apparently not so honorable. "He violated his oath when he deserted us," said one of them, while another accused Bergdahl of a "very big betrayal."

As for the thugs released from Gitmo, they are not soldiers. These five killers are now enjoying their freedom in Qatar, perhaps savoring a return to the battlefield. The president asserts that the war is winding down, and that prisoner exchanges are customary at the end of conflict. But the Taliban will never stop fighting. What else are they going to do, watch sitcoms and play Candy Crush in the Hindu Kush? Fighting against the West is their reason for living; they sit in the mountains, determined to usher in the return of a barbaric Islamic state to Afghanistan.

President Obama seems to be under the misguided impression that pretty much anyone can be reasoned with, with the possible exception of Congressional Republicans. That inability to recognize evil brings to mind Jimmy Carter, whose ambassador to the United Nations (the same position formerly held by Susan Rice) was the naive Andrew Young. How naive? He referred to the murderous Ayatollah Khomeini as a "saint." Carter also worried that we suffered from an "inordinate fear" of communism, an ideology that killed tens of millions of people. And now, three decades later, the Obama crew has praised the fanatical Muslim Brotherhood and believes we can work things out with the Taliban.

Once again, why are so many monumental mistakes being made inside the Oval Office? The VA scandal is still fresh and now we have this, in addition to the IRS, Benghazi, NSA, and on and on. Is it possible that any administration could simply be this incompetent? Not merely bumbling or wrong-headed, but breathtakingly bad at looking out for the American people.

One person very familiar with the inner workings of the Obama White House offers an explanation. He says the president is fully aware that the economy will remain stuck in neutral, that ObamaCare will be an unpopular mess for years, and that his job approval will stay under water. And therefore, President Obama will simply do what he wants. Full speed ahead, public opinion be damned.

That is a chilling analysis, but how else can anyone explain what's happening on Pennsylvania Avenue? To any sentient person, anyone other than an Obama zealot, the chaos in Washington is embarrassing and downright frightening. Things are so bad that people might be excused if they find themselves longing for a certain peanut farmer.
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