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50 Years Later, The Poor Are Still "Poor"...

Post  News Hawk on Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:18 pm

When will they learn?

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The Census Bureau's annual report on poverty, released Tuesday, is noteworthy because this year marks the 50th anniversary of President Lyndon Johnson's launch of the War on Poverty.

Liberals claim that the war has failed because we didn't spend enough money. Their answer is to spend more
. But the facts show otherwise.

Since its beginning, U.S. taxpayers have spent $22 trillion on Johnson's War on Poverty (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusting for inflation, that's three times more than was spent on all military wars since the American Revolution.

The federal government currently runs more than 80 means-tested welfare programs. These programs provide cash, food, housing and medical care to low-income Americans. Federal and state spending on these programs last year was $943 billion.

(These figures do not include Social Security, Medicare or unemployment insurance.)

Over 100 million people, about a third of the U.S. population, received aid from at least one welfare program at an average cost of $9,000 per recipient in 2013. If converted to cash, current means-tested spending is five times the amount needed to eliminate all poverty in the U.S.

But the Census will almost certainly proclaim that around 14% of Americans are still poor. The present poverty rate is almost exactly the same as it was in 1967, a few years after the War on Poverty started. Census data actually show that poverty has gotten worse over the last 40 years.

How is this possible? How can the taxpayers spend $22 trillion on welfare while poverty gets worse? The answer is that it isn't possible. Census counts a family as poor if its income falls below specified thresholds. But in counting family "income," Census ignores nearly the entire $943 billion welfare state.

For most Americans, the word "poverty" means significant material deprivation, an inability to provide a family with adequate nutritious food, reasonable shelter and clothing. But only a small portion of the more than 40 million people labeled as poor by Census fit that description.

The media frequently associate the idea of poverty with being homeless. But less than 2% of the poor are homeless. Only one in 10 live in mobile homes. The typical house or apartment of the poor is in good repair, uncrowded and actually larger than the average dwelling of non-poor French, Germans or English.

According to government surveys, the typical family that Census identifies as poor has air-conditioning, cable or satellite TV, and a computer. Forty percent have a wide-screen HDTV, and another 40% have Internet access. Three quarters of the poor own a car and roughly a third have two or more cars.

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/091614-717643-johnson-war-on-poverty-still-hasnt-been-won.htm#ixzz3DiQf4j1Z

Government is spending Other People's Money...

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Re: 50 Years Later, The Poor Are Still "Poor"...

Post  WHL on Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:29 am

Because when you give somebody a fish for free, they only know how to eat it. They never learn to go out and fish for themselves. That is something this government needs to figure out. Welfare should be a temporary help to get people on their feet and take care of themselves.
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:37 am

It's called Supply Side Economics, where a majority of the wealth in the country is held by a few. That failed economic theory was started by Ronald Reagan and has been the darling of Republicans ever since. Take a look at Kansas today to see what a failure it is!

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Post  News Hawk on Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:56 am

News Buzzard wrote:It's called Supply Side Economics, where a majority of the wealth in the country is held by a few. That failed economic theory was started by Ronald Reagan and has been the darling of Republicans ever since. Take a look at Kansas today to see what a failure it is!
So air-conditioning, one or more cars, satellite TV, computers, "Forty percent have a wide-screen HDTV, and another 40% have Internet access. are the new definition of "poor" in America?

We've spent more on all our wars than to bring poor people their "necessities".

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I think The Census left out "ObamaPhones".

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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:14 am

That's about as genuine as someone saying the country is broke, while our banks are playing with $270 trillion in derivatives and our corporations and wealthy have trillions more parked offshore in tax havens. The American people really have no idea how much they're being hoodwinked by people like the Koch brothers. Banks, corporations and wealthy citizens are all stakeholders in this country, and their wealth is worth nothing if it collapses. You can pick up a used TV for fifty bucks. Get over it!

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Post  News Pigeon on Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:16 am

So air-conditioning, one or more cars, satellite TV, computers, "Forty percent have a wide-screen HDTV, and another 40% have Internet access. are the new definition of "poor" in America?

We've spent more on all our wars than to bring poor people their "necessities".

Yeah, those nasty welfare recipients!!!!!  I guess if they would just be happy taking those homestead exemptions, you'd be OK with it?? After all the people of Florida can well afford to pick-up the slackers taxes....right?
You've got NO room to bitch, hypocrite... Rolling Eyes

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See Where Poverty Begins...

Post  News Hawk on Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:18 am




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Post  News Pigeon on Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:20 am

Note: Source, Heritage Foundation

Do you have a credible source?

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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:06 am

The same Heritage Foundation that said immigration reform would cost us $6 trillion! The Republicans even walked away from that one. Rolling Eyes

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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:18 pm

News Buzzard wrote:That's about as genuine as someone saying the country is broke, while our banks are playing with $270 trillion in derivatives and our corporations and wealthy have trillions more parked offshore in tax havens. The American people really have no idea how much they're being hoodwinked by people like the Koch brothers. Banks, corporations and wealthy citizens are all stakeholders in this country, and their wealth is worth nothing if it collapses. You can pick up a used TV for fifty bucks. Get over it!


That is almost funny.

The gist of your argument is the federal government is not broke because there is still hundreds of trillions of other people’s money they can take. The fact is we live in a global economy and the truly wealthy and corporations have the ability to move wealth to friendlier environments in the blink of an eye. So whose money are you really talking about? The Millionaires and Billionaires? In Obama’s world that is anyone that makes more than 250K a year.


The Democrat “social engineering” on poverty was never meant to reduce or eliminate poverty. It was meant to further Democrat politicians’ control of the Federal Government and the American economy. In the sense that they wanted to reduce or eliminate ‘poverty’ they have failed by plan, but they have succeeded to persuade those in poverty to vote Democrat and put them into control of our nation and economy so that our constitutional guaranteed of religious form of government could be replaced by a Marxist form of government with a one party elite soaking up America’s fortunes… The Democrat only used the poverty issue as a facade to bribe gullible voters and never intended to eradicate poverty. Poverty was only a tactic in their revolutionary plan to take over America. Eradicate poverty and they have no one to bribe for votes.
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Post  WHL on Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:53 pm

It's too bad that people on welfare don't know any different. Some of them must know they could make a better life for themselves if they tried. But I guess most of them are happy sitting home watching tv and drinking beer or doing drugs. Too bad. Like being on vacation all the time I guess so why would they want to change. No pride I guess. There used to be a lot of pride in this country but not anymore. People that needed help a lot worse than most today would not take it because they were too proud.
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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:32 pm

WHL- be careful, you will be labeled as a hater.

I’m sure you are like me and want to help those who can’t help themselves, it’s those who won’t help themselves I could care less about.

If one chooses not to get and education or acquire marketable skills why should the working supplement their existence? Democrats have removed the consequences for making bad choices. As a consequence, we are getting more and more people making bad choices.

The median household income for 2013 was $51,939. According to the Senate Budget Committee report, the total in paid for by the taxpayers for: money, food stamps, housing, child care and the administrative costs to implement these programs comes to $61,320 per household.
Now if your 30 years old and the market rate for your skills is $8.00/hour, other than lack of conscious and integrity, why would you work?
The Democrats are offering generational dependence for power.

"The lessons of history show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit." — Franklin Delano Roosevelt, State of the Union, 1935
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:56 pm

If you think the American people are going to watch the Republicans destroy programs like Social Security and Medicare while 77 US banks play around with $225 trillion in derivatives, or 16 times our total annual GDP, you should think about changing the medication you're on!!

http://www.mybudget360.com/the-hidden-gigantic-risk-of-derivatives-77-banks-225-trillion-in-derivatives/

It's not a good long term strategy for the Republicans to starve the government while the banks are gambling with this kind of money. They might take the Senate this fall (and they might not) but 2016 is a much different story when a lot of the Tea Party Republicans come up for reelection. You don't have anyone to beat Hillary anyway.

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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:38 pm

If given the choice, working Americans would chose to invest and spend the money they earned rather than hand it over to the Ponzi scheme the Federal government is running.

Those who don’t contribute…well sure they wouldn’t stand by and let them change Social Security and Medicare. They want their share of other people’s money.

Before you twist my words I am not talking about taking away these entitlements from those who have already earned them.

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If you believe a politician (from either side) is going to change that, then you are out of luck because they haven’t found the medicine that can help you.
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:52 pm

Outerlimits wrote:If you believe a politician (from either side) is going to change that, then you are out of luck because they haven’t found the medicine that can help you.

Medicare is sacred, as you will find out some day. Social Security is needed by a majority of our seniors, present and future. I take the medication of my guy won, and that is very frustrating for you!! Wink

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Post  WHL on Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:24 pm

We are not talking about SS and Medicare, NB. You say that every time. We are talking about welfare To which none of the recipients have contributed.

And of course there are some who truly need welfare but when you get to fourth generation welfare, it has just become a way of life.
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:26 pm

What are the statistics on 4th generation welfare, WHL? How many millions of Americans are on 4th generation welfare, or is that a stereotype that conservatives like? Can I see some documentation of how many families in America are on multi-generational welfare?

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Post  News Hawk on Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:19 am

News Buzzard wrote:
Medicare is sacred, as you will find out some day. Social Security is needed by a majority of our seniors, present and future. I take the medication of my guy won, and that is very frustrating for you!! Wink
"Your guy" is a Socialist, with a never-ending sacrament of "sacred" Medicare.

Thomas Jefferson reminded us that what the government may "give" you, can also be taken away.  Was Jefferson just an angry old man whose words can be so readily dismissed?

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Hispanics (22%), blacks (23%) and Asians (25%) are all significantly more likely than whites (13%) to live in a multi-generational family household.


The rates of three of these four groups have increased significantly since 1980, with blacks the lone exception. However, the rates of all four groups have gone up from 2006 to 2008 — a time when the recession brought on a wave of joblessness and foreclosures.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/03/18/the-return-of-the-multi-generational-family-household/




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Post  News Buzzard on Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:08 am

So the next step in your distorted logic is that all minorities are on welfare?? I didn't ask how many families are living together!

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Post  WHL on Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:46 pm

Quite a few years ago I read a book called something like "There Are No Children Here" or something with the word children in it. It was just unbelievable. As I recall this author went to live in the projects and wrote about the life of the people there. It is just amazing how these people live. I hope this is he right name and if you have never read it you should.
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Post  News Buzzard on Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:56 pm

WHL wrote:Quite a few years ago I read a book called something like "There Are No Children Here"  or something with the word children in it.  It was just unbelievable.  As I recall this author went to live in the projects and wrote about the life of the people there. It is just amazing how these people live.  I hope this is he right name and if you have never read it you should.  

I grew up in a project. What are you trying to say? About a mile away from me a gal by the name of Sonia Sotomayor grew up in a project. I never met her but she went from the projects to the Supreme Court of the United States. You should wander away from New Hampshire a little more often!!

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Post  WHL on Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:58 pm

Read the book.
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Post  News Hawk on Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:41 am

News Buzzard wrote:I grew up in a project. What are you trying to say? About a mile away from me a gal by the name of Sonia Sotomayor grew up in a project. I never met her but she went from the projects to the Supreme Court of the United States. You should wander away from New Hampshire a little more often!!
You seem to have "wandered" yourself—are your Spanish language skills that poor?

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Post  News Buzzard on Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:54 am

You should be the last one to talk about where we all reside.

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Post  News Hawk on Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:01 pm

News Buzzard wrote:You should be the last one to talk about where we all reside.

I'm happy with my choice of residences.

...You?

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