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Post  Outerlimits on Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:29 am

Of course starting a war without Congressional approval against two countries might be considered out-Bushing…Bush.

I'm waiting for the entertainment industry and Progressives to start their wailing about Obama and his "illegal" wars, comparing him to Hitler, proclaiming their embarrassment, etc.

You think they'll be consistent? Guessing not, but we'll see. Rolling Eyes

While I support destroying ISIS in theory, I am not at all comfortable with how this administration has handled national security & foreign affairs.
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Post  News Pigeon on Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:20 pm

Yes...yes, of course....lets just ignore the fact that Congress decided to go campaigning rather than deal w/ ISIS (some would call Congress outright chicken-shit for refusing to take a position)......but I'd expect nothing less from the republican bubble, than to trash talk the black man in the White House. Where's McCain and his girlfriend Lynsey?

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Post  News Hawk on Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:31 pm

Outerlimits wrote:While I support destroying ISIS in theory, I am not at all comfortable with how this administration has handled national security & foreign affairs.
Isn't the National Security advisor Susan Rice?

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Post  Outerlimits on Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:01 pm

News Pigeon wrote:Yes...yes, of course....lets just ignore the fact that Congress decided to go campaigning rather than deal w/ ISIS (some would call Congress outright chicken-shit for refusing to take a position)......but I'd expect nothing less from the republican bubble, than to trash talk the black man in the White House. Where's McCain and his girlfriend Lynsey?

You might be able to make that argument if Obama made the same pathetic excuse you just made.  

He didn’t.  

Obama claimed he has the authority to do this by himself in his constitutional role as commander in chief.

No doubt with double talk and semantics his lawyers can make the legal for that position. That is beside the point. When a commander in chief proposes to engage in acts of war that are not part of a short-term emergency but are commitments that stretch over an indefinite period of time, he should ask for formal congressional approval even if the letter of the law does not require it. It is the spirit of the law, arising from the constitutional declaration that “Congress ... shall have the power to declare war,” that matters. Simple “consultation with legislative leaders” is not enough.


Even Candidate Obama Version disagrees with Commander and Chief Obama.

There was no direct and imminent threat to the US according to the Whitehouse, so therefore it was illegal to do without going through congress.

Sing it with me.

Racist
Unjust,
Illegal war

Racist
Unjust
IL – Le – gal War!!!

Come on...You know the words and you love tossing the race card in there.

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Post  News Pigeon on Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:29 pm

Sorry, I'm afraid I just can't be serious about anything you say...


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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:46 pm

Very good, News Pigeon. In their perverted world Obama can never do anything right, and then they'll be bitching about Hillary for 8 years!!

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Post  News Pigeon on Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:37 pm

Laughing Laughing yeah............................. Sleep

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Post  WHL on Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:47 pm

Did you see Obama's "Latte Salute"?
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Post  News Hawk on Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:27 pm

WHL wrote:Did you see Obama's "Latte Salute"?

No...I had to look it up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fl0tsOmWFc

Well, at least he didn't have a U.S Marine hold his coffee cup while he returned the salute.

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Post  WHL on Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:44 pm

Guess that would have been worse.
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Post  Outerlimits on Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:53 am

I could at least respect Pigeon and Buzzard’s positions if they were consistent.

Obama said:

NO president has constitutional authority to authorize a military action"absent approval by Congress if there's no imminent threat to America.

Obama unilaterally attacks targets within sovereign nation without Congressional approval. Obama has killed so many people with drones he has told his aids that he I’m really good at killing people.” Obama’s United Nations ambassador Samantha Power said the real purpose of the fight against ISIS is to overthrow al-Assad and the Syrian government.”

How can Democrats, Progressives and Liberals even begin to reconcile this in their minds? - They can’t

Be honest...

You both never cared about the blood and treasure lost in Iraq, it was strictly political and an avenue to attack the Republicans.

Illegal war! is all the left could shriek in 2003 for Bush’s perfectly legal war.

Now, meh. Who cares? The left shrugs their collective shoulders.

You approve of Obama starting an illegal war and going against his own words all because he has D next to his name.
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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:40 pm

You must have a lot of horses because you generate a lot of manure!!! Rolling Eyes

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Post  News Pigeon on Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:47 pm

News Buzzard, how do you like my new button?



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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:07 pm

News Pigeon wrote:News Buzzard, how do you like my new button?



I like it, News Pigeon!! I proudly wear it!!!  Very Happy

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Post  Outerlimits on Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:08 pm

News Buzzard wrote:You must have a lot of horses because you generate a lot of manure!!!  Rolling Eyes


Great comeback Potsie

When you can’t defend your weak statements and weaker political heroes, you two just make poop jokes.


Since your radical liberal is now in charge it's OK to go to war. It’s OK to bomb brown people and all criticism of war seems to evaporate. The Rallies, the daily death tolls pretty much ceased once Obama became Commander in Chief.

Cindy Sheehan spoke up and showed she isn’t just a political hack like the two of you. I can actually respect her for that.

Bottom-line: If you are a supporter of Obama's foreign policy (leaving aside his disastrous domestic issues), you are a supporter of MurderInc and Empire. I know most of you don't really support these policies but for some weird reason think you need to circle the wagons around The First Black President™️who is just as vigorously an Able Servant of Empire™️as the 43 white guys before him. "Humanitarian Intervention™️" is not only an oxymoron, but a big propagandistic myth to get you to support murder and mayhem from a (D).

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Post  News Pigeon on Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:10 pm

Here's my new entry card to CPAC events...


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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:32 pm

Good response, News Pigeon!! Apparently Outerlimits didn't get the message that our multi-nation attack on Syria was to prevent imminent attack planning against the US and other western allies by the Khorasan group.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/975374-us-arab-allies-strike-islamic-state-in-iraq-and-syria-stop-imminent-attack-plotting/

If that isn't an exigent circumstance, I don't know what is. Instead, Outerlimits prefers to attack us personally in his never ending quest to bash Obama. It's not uncommon to see right wingers speaking from both sides of their mouth! If Obama doesn't act he is weak, and if he does act he is conducting an illegal action without the permission of congress. (which has already left town) The right wing frequently likes to forget that Obama is the Commander in Chief, and if they don't like it they can just go and file another frivolous lawsuit. Sore losers are good at that!!

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Post  News Pigeon on Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:46 pm

Outerlimits wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:You must have a lot of horses because you generate a lot of manure!!!  Rolling Eyes







Since your radical liberal is now in charge it's OK to go to war.  It’s OK to bomb brown people and all criticism of war seems to evaporate.

I don't recall EVER saying it's OK but  we're stuck in an endless position of defending these nations until they can protect their own damn oil! Your boy Georgie created this one, remember...

Cindy Sheehan spoke up and showed she isn’t just a political hack like the two of you.  I can actually respect her for that.

PULEEEEEZE....YOU respect Cindy Sheehan!! You're just low enough to jump on her bandwagon when it suits your need....BTW you're really morally deficient when you can exploit a woman who lost her son to an illegal war.

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Post  Outerlimits on Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:36 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Good response, News Pigeon!! Apparently Outerlimits didn't get the message that our multi-nation attack on Syria was to prevent imminent attack planning against the US and other western allies by the Khorasan group.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/975374-us-arab-allies-strike-islamic-state-in-iraq-and-syria-stop-imminent-attack-plotting/

If that isn't an exigent circumstance, I don't know what is. Instead, Outerlimits prefers to attack us personally in his never ending quest to bash Obama. It's not uncommon to see right wingers speaking from both sides of their mouth! If Obama doesn't act he is weak, and if he does act he is conducting an illegal action without the permission of congress. (which has already left town) The right wing frequently likes to forget that Obama is the Commander in Chief, and if they don't like it they can just go and file another frivolous lawsuit. Sore losers are good at that!!

You are purposefully conflating two separate actions in an attempt to confuse the issue.

The attack on the Khorasan Group was a separate action from the war against the Islamic State. The Khorasan Group is not ISIS, it is a cell of Al Qaeda militants in northwestern Syria and yes it appears they were a direct threat to the United States. Although Kerry would not specify what threat that would be.

The Whitehouse officials that claimed the Islamic State is not an immediate threat to the United States.

On Sunday September 21st Obama stated “The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) could spread conflict to neighboring states and pose a medium and long-term threat to the US."

So if Obama and his administration claim there is no immediate threat to the United States, how can he claim he doesn’t need approval when that is an absolute prerequisite?

Now who is talking out of both sides of their mouth?

There is no law that says if a NATO country requests help bombing a country not posing a direct and imminent threat to the US or any other NATO country that the president can strike without congress.

Thank God you weren't around when France wanted us to nuke Vietnam in the 1950s.

There is also no law that says that if a country violates a UN resolution while not posing a direct and imminent threat that the president can strike it without congress.

Bush had stronger legal reasons to go into Iraq without congress as Saddam broke the treaty with the US multiple times that said an instant state of war would resume and he broke countless UN resolutions.

Still Bush went through congress.

Be honest, you wouldn't have approved of Bush not going through congress on Iraq.
Oh wait never-mind, you like to pretend Bush attacked Iraq all by himself.
Stiil can’t see how you can justify Obama’s actions when you condemned Bush’s actions.

Who is the real warmonger? Obama has now bombed 7 countries.
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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:49 pm

It looks like The White House purposely took you off course, and that's a good thing. Maybe you should go screeching up to a microphone somewhere like those other 2 idiots, McCain and Graham, and complain about Obama, repeatedly!!! You seem too young to be an old hairbag!!    Basketball

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Post  News Pigeon on Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:28 pm

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Post  Outerlimits on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:21 pm

News Buzzard wrote:It looks like The White House purposely took you off course, and that's a good thing. Maybe you should go screeching up to a microphone somewhere like those other 2 idiots, McCain and Graham, and complain about Obama, repeatedly!!! You seem too young to be an old hairbag!!    Basketball


No the Whitehouse did not take me off course.

I understand this administration’s careful parsing of speech; they have been doing it since day one. "Imminent attack plotting" is not the same as an attack is imminent. Careful parsing of language speaks to deliberate misleading. Or more to the point another LIE.

You were either duped or you are perfectly willing to support a lie because it’s your guy.

How often were we told that Iraq was stable and al-Qaeda was defeated during the 2012 campaign? "Bin Laden is dead and al-Qaeda is decimated." It was a mantra! The truth is that Khorasan is core al-Qaeda, Bin Laden's inner circle and top operatives that simply moved from Pakistan to Syria. Now suddenly they are an imminent threat!

Obama has denied and ignored the threat of Islamic terrorism. He truly believed that by making his disgusting apologies for America, and by the sheer force of his persona, he could take them. It has been painfully clear the reset button has failed and he has been trying to run out the clock by doing nothing and hoping he could keep from doing anything before his term ends.

Now he's in it up to his head.
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Post  News Hawk on Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:03 pm

In 6 years, has Obama ever told us there was an increased terror threat?

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Post  WHL on Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:47 pm

Deliberately misleading, exactly!!!! That is what he does ALL THE TIME!!! Even in his campaign with "hope and change" and people fell for it.
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Post  News Hawk on Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:09 pm

WHL wrote:Did you see Obama's "Latte Salute"?

This one?




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