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Post  News Hawk on Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:10 pm

Response to Gov. Jindal's call to restrict Ebola's flight to the USA...

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I’m not arguing that we should “seal ourselves off from the world.” (Nor, I suspect, is Governor Jindal.) We are arguing to seal off just three small countries in West Africa, until the epidemic passes. This would not be a difficult ban to implement and enforce. For Americans who wish to return from those countries, we can require a quarantine protocol, which the CDC already has in place at many airports. As Gov. Jindal said:

““How exactly would stopping the entry of people potentially carrying the Ebola virus be counterproductive? This seems to be an obvious step to protect public health in the United States.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2014/10/05/how-to-stop-ebola-ban-air-travel-from-liberia-sierra-leone-and-guinea/

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Re: Stop Flights from W. Africa...

Post  obervantone on Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:02 am

Don't worry, Stephen Colbert has found a solution suggested by a Republican leader from his own home state! No need to worry now!
http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2014/10/colbert-skewers-right-wings-ebola

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The audience thought it funny...

Post  News Hawk on Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:37 am

obervantone wrote:Don't worry, Stephen Colbert has found a solution suggested by a Republican leader from his own home state!  No need to worry now!
http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2014/10/colbert-skewers-right-wings-ebola

Stephen Colbert is a comedian who could joke about The Holocaust.

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Post  obervantone on Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:08 am

Stephen Colbert's Colbert Report is a satire of the O'Reilly Factor, and the "solution" he found was suggested by a GOP leader in South Carolina....

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It Started, and Now It's Spread to Texas...

Post  News Hawk on Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:14 am



The virus is carried by fruit bats, a local nourishment in poor parts of Africa In the preparation of fruit bats for consumption, one person can spread a pandemic among humans, and other primates.

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Re: Stop Flights from W. Africa...

Post  obervantone on Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:19 am

You still have not explained how your research who discovered and named Ebola, according to the transcript of Der Spiegel that you provided, was able to fish the remaining unopened vile from the glop left by the other vial that had broken in the thermos, wearing only his white doctor coat, and still be alive to look for acclaim and grant money.

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Re: Stop Flights from W. Africa...

Post  News Hawk on Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:22 am

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160,000 hazmat suits were just ordered by the US government for October delivery. Our borders have been left unprotected,…as has our Commander In Chief. The mainstream media has been totally co-opted by the elite…and upwards of 150 underground cities are prepared to house our military and protected classes.

In 2014 we have seen the world begin to spin out of control. War’s in Israel/Palestine…Iraq…Afghanistan…Ukraine….Syria…ISIS….Beheadings….Relations between China, Russia, and the United States have fallen to the lowest levels since the cold war. The economic warfare of the BRICS banking cartel …now competing with the New World Order, Rothschild and his cabal…including America’s defacto “shadow” government.

We seen numerous press reports of suspicious circumstances surrounding 9/11….with almost no coverage with-in the mainstream press. The unexplained downing of two commercial airlines, the eye brow raising deaths of 100′s of esteemed scientists that were aboard both airliners…including leading members of the World Health Organization (WHO)…the folks on the frontline in our attempt to control Ebola.

We’ve witnessed the militarization of our homeland…riot’s and race wars in St.Louis…and despair throughout the nation. Just today, we received a warning from the the leader of the IMF Christine Lagarde, that world markets are overvalued and primed for their precipitous descent, while Soros, Rothschild, and Buffet prepare their record “short” positions to PROFIT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR INSIDE INFORMATION on the current situation of the world.

Ebola is a clear and present danger…to anyone paying even the least bit of attention to the unfolding situation. It seems like America’s leading “jokester’s” are working hand in hand with their media moguls to mock our current situation…and to mute our sensibilities.

Hey, Stewart and Colbert….your not funny…in fact…your performances this night were shocking and disturbing. As an independent, free thinking American…it’s time to wakeup and realize how you're further damaging a fragile world… here in the waning months of 2014….and IT’S NOT A JOKE!
http://ronrambles.com/jon-stewart-stephen-colbert-not-funny-liberals-ebola/


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Re: Stop Flights from W. Africa...

Post  obervantone on Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:52 am

Stewart and Colbert are not making light of Ebola, they are trashing Fox and other media that are creating a panic among some people, apparently yourself included, by spreading inaccurate information and conjecture.

From the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/05/nothing-to-fear-but-ebola-itself/
Even if the threat of something like Ebola is minuscule or remote, hysterical media coverage, Kaplan argued, can lead us to "develop a cognitive bias that things occur more frequently than they actually do."

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Re: Stop Flights from W. Africa...

Post  red_hill on Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:15 pm

While I am not sure that we need to restrict travel there, I know I sure would not travel there and certainly expect our government to screen the bejesus out of anyone coming here.

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Post  obervantone on Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:37 pm

One of teh "unintended" consequences of a flight ban to West Africa would be that American doctors would have to stop going to West Africa to treat Ebola patients, in all likelihood making things worse. Why? Because if there is a flight ban from West Africa they would not be able to return home.

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Post  News Hawk on Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:36 pm

obervantone wrote:One of teh "unintended" consequences of a flight ban to West Africa would be that American doctors would have to stop going to West Africa to treat Ebola patients, in all likelihood making things worse.  Why?  Because if there is a flight ban from West Africa they would not be able to return home.
The US contracts jetliners to fly our military home and back all the time. No pilots need to debark the plane after arriving in Liberia.

Screening departing passengers for hemorheological diseases (not just Ebola) can be done at leisure.

But do you trust 4000 troops to keep away from "body fluids" while engaged in Liberia? (Gay and non-Gay?)

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Post  obervantone on Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:21 am

OMG...Didn't anyone screen this man??????  Talking back to Elizabeth and telling her she is wrong?????  Then not answering a speculative question because it would require discussion and thought FIRST?  
But worst of all saying that limiting flights in an out of West Africa would make the problem worse!......Where is the producer?.....You're fired!  Evil or Very Mad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4SaLet29g#t=78

So how many more times do you think the doctor will be asked back for his opinions since he did not tow the Fox News line?

Did Fox News use any clips of this interview on Monday or Tuesday during their newscasts?  After all he is Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institiute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health, and the interview was conducted Monday....note the reference to Mr. Mukpo arriving in Nebraska within the hour.

So did Fox use the comments?

I bet I know the answer Razz

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Post  News Hawk on Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:30 am

Now, Spanish victims of Ebola are threatened with having their dogs killed by Government!

I see killing off animals is nonsense. What's next? Cats, pet hamsters,chipmunks, squirrels, rats, bats, woodchucks, birds, .....

Is it such a crazy idea to contain Ebola in the areas that let it get out of control?

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obervantone wrote:OMG...Didn't anyone screen this man??????  Talking back to Elizabeth and telling her she is wrong?????  Then not answering a speculative question because it would require discussion and thought FIRST?  
But worst of all saying that limiting flights in an out of West Africa would make the problem worse!......Where is the producer?.....You're fired!  Evil or Very Mad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4SaLet29g#t=78

So how many more times do you think the doctor will be asked back for his opinions since he did not tow the Fox News line?

Did Fox News use any clips of this interview on Monday or Tuesday during their newscasts?  After all he is Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institiute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health, and the interview was conducted Monday....note the reference to Mr. Mukpo arriving in Nebraska within the hour.

So did Fox use the comments?

I bet I know the answer Razz
I'd mentioned Dr. Fauci earlier. One line from this interview was, "We can't marginalize these [Ebola] countries".

How important is "marginalizing these countries" to 310 Million Americans?

A second line was, "When I return from the White House, I'll have the answer to your question."

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Re: Stop Flights from W. Africa...

Post  obervantone on Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:12 am

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I'd mentioned Dr. Fauci
YOU"VE mentioned Dr Fauci?...my question was not did YOU mention Dr Fauci, it was did FOX NEWS use any of the clips fro this interview on their news? The answer is no....the doctor does not fall into line with the Fox story to create better ratings through fear and speculation.

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Better Earlier than Later?

Post  News Hawk on Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:03 pm

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I'd mentioned Dr. Fauci
YOU"VE mentioned Dr Fauci?...my question was not did YOU mention Dr Fauci, it was did FOX NEWS use any of the clips fro this interview on their news?  The answer is no....the doctor does not fall into line with the Fox story to create better ratings through fear and speculation.

FOX News' Chris Wallace conducted an interview with Fauci, but I don't remember that it was different from his other pronouncements.  Dr. Fauci appeared defensive, and wouldn't give "yes or no" answers. (Like most lawyers and politicians).

My earlier quote in this thread:

Anthony Fauci (NIH) and Surgeon General Koop brought us AIDS. There was a brief interval when the first cases known in the gay community could have been contained, and some sex clubs closed down. These two just watched while AIDS became the pandemic it still is. We could have contained AIDS—but the Politically Correct national media stalled the reporting until "too many" died to ignore.  

Fauci is still head of the NIH: is Fauci telling us the truth today about Ebola?

You might want to check the validity of my statement regarding Dr. Fauci:

Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), 1981
Courtesy National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases

Dr. Anthony Fauci led the NIH response to the epidemic as Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). Although initially criticized by people living with AIDS and their advocates, he went on to collaborate with members of the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power(ACT UP)and other activists to plan research and develop drug trials.
http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/againsttheodds/exhibit/action_on_aids/new_disease.cfm

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Post  obervantone on Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:26 pm

My point, and one that you continue to confirm, is that Fox News did an interview with a ranking doctor of NIH and yet did NOT use clips of those interviews of his comments in their "Newscasts".

Another point that I just thought of, that you will NEVER see on Fox. There are still millions of Americans without health insurance in this country, so if they get sick, they are not likely to go see a doctor or to an ER....ditto (figured you'd understand that slang) working families without sick leave because a trip to the doctor will cost them a day, or more, pay.

Both of which are circumstances that are likely to spread viruses a lot more effectively than people coming into the U-S from overseas.


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Post  News Hawk on Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:48 pm

obervantone wrote:My point, and one that you continue to confirm, is that Fox News did an interview with a ranking doctor of NIH and yet did NOT use clips of those interviews of his comments in their "Newscasts".

Another point that I just thought of, that you will NEVER see on Fox.  There are still millions of Americans without health insurance in this country, so if they get sick, they are not likely to go see a doctor or to an ER....ditto (figured you'd understand that slang) working families without sick leave because a trip to the doctor will cost them a day, or more, pay.  

Both of which are circumstances that are likely to spread viruses a lot more effectively than people coming into the U-S from overseas.


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Post  News Hawk on Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:21 am

Europe's cases:




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Post  News Hawk on Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:09 pm

Elections were just suspended in Liberia.

Circle your chairs—discuss...

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Post  News Hawk on Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:27 pm

Monrovia - Six U.S. military planes arrived in the Ebola hot zone Thursday with more Marines, as West Africa's leaders pleaded for the world's help in dealing with "a tragedy unforeseen in modern times."

"Our people are dying," Sierra Leone President Ernest Bai Koroma lamented by videoconference at a World Bank meeting in Washington. He said other countries are not responding fast enough while children are orphaned and infected doctors and nurses are lost to the disease.

Alpha Conde of Guinea said the region's countries are in "a very fragile situation."

"This disease is today an international threat and deserves an international response," he said, speaking through a translator.

“The 100 troops — mostly Marines, along with some Navy corpsmen — are part of a force of up to 3,600 U.S. troops that could deploy to West Africa to help efforts to stem the spread of the deadly Ebola virus. The outbreak has so far claimed more than 3,000 lives and could infect 1.4 million more.

So far, about 350 troops are on the ground now, running laboratories, setting up treatment facilities, training healthcare workers and assisting with logistics.

The Marine unit will provide supply and transportation assistance for the anti-Ebola effort until Army units arrive later this month to take over the possibly year-long mission.”
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Gee, no Peace Corps, no one from Organizing for America, ACORN, nor CDC, nor any other group that worships Obola is sent into viral harm's way.

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Post  News Hawk on Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:46 pm

US Airways video from Panama shows response to passenger with Ebola...



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Post  News Hawk on Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:33 am


Secretary of Health and Human Services Sylvia Burwell said that despite the best efforts of health officials, Americans have to prepare for the reality that there may be more cases of Ebola in the United States.

“We had one case and I think there may be other cases, and I think we have to recognize that as a nation,” Burwell said at a media breakfast hosted by the journal Health Affairs and held at the Washington, D.C. offices of the Kaiser Family Foundation."
—Washington Examiner

Out of the other side of Government's mouth.

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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:37 pm

It took 15 people to detain one person in Texas and thousands of man hours to track down every person he came in contact with. The CDC does not have the infrastructure to contain a virus of this nature. It is all about time and exposure; this is not about containing and giving out flu shots.

This is not political and it shouldn’t be political but Obama and the CDC are making political choices on this virus.

The CDC admits as recent as today that it can be transmitted with coughing and sneezing under certain circumstances.

Non-airborne doesn’t mean it cannot be transferred without direct contact. In America I suspect it would spread faster than in "poor countries" do to population concentration.

Apparently England Germany and France watch Fox News. They have all stopped flights from West Africa.
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Post  obervantone on Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:34 pm

This is not political and it shouldn’t be political but Obama and the CDC are making political choices on this virus.

Sure, that's right!
Republicans like Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas and Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana — all possible 2016 presidential candidates — have accused Mr. Obama of leaving Americans vulnerable to the Ebola epidemic. Conservative media like the Drudge Report have created crude puns to rhyme the president’s last name with the virus. The Daily Caller has christened him “President Ebola.”

Hear it on cable television and talk radio, where pundits and politicians play scientists speculating on whether Ebola will mutate into an airborne virus that kills millions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/us/politics/republican-strategy-midterm-elections.html?smid=tw-share

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Post  News Hawk on Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:24 pm

From your link:

Playing off feelings of anxiety is a powerful strategy for motivating the Republican base. And few issues have proven as potent when linked together as border security and the fear of terrorism. Representative Duncan Hunter, Republican of California, said this week on Fox News that border agents had told him they apprehended 10 Islamic State fighters in Texas. The Department of Homeland Security said his statement was “categorically false.”

DHS says the statement is categorically false?

Would that be Jeh Johnson, whose [White House] opinion I showed in a video here?

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