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Post  News Pigeon on Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:58 am

Laughing Poor Karl, he bungles everything these days...what a "has-been"

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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:50 pm

So you really want to talk about Obamacare and numbers?????   Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing


30 million

The number Obama himself said we needed to insure and why we needed to pass Obamacare without delay.

41 million

The number of Americans without insurance today.

35 million

The CBO’s protejection of Americans without insurance by 2025 yeah, liberals are very bad at math.  They could have had real numbers fall by simply expanding medicaid. Oh wait they did that too. SO what happened to the claim that the ACA would provide coverage for EVERY American?

38.5 %  

The Real Clear Politics Average of Americans that favor Obamacare.


51.0 %

The Real Clear Politics Average of Americans that oppose Obamacare


ZERO

The exact number of polls over the past two years that show Americans favor Obamacare.



It appears liberals are using Common Core Math to show Obamacare "success".
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:01 pm

The most important thing you need to know about Obamacare is you're never going to get rid of it!! Ask the newly insured 10 million what they think of it, and as soon as the rest of the states cave in on the Medicaid expansion there are another 5 million people waiting in the wings. You know what you can do with your polls!!!

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Post  WHL on Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:07 pm

You sound like a broken record, NB. "You are never going to get rid of it, you are never going to get rid of it, you are never going to get rid of it, you are neverrrrrrrrr"
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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:24 pm

News Buzzard wrote:The most important thing you need to know about Obamacare is you're never going to get rid of it!!...


The scary part is Obamacare may not be his greatest failure…

Obamacare is about redistribution of wealth. All of those "cheap" and "free" policies are being paid by the rest of us. Only a fool would have believed that you could insure some 40 million people for nothing…or was it 30 million?

It’s weird how those getting handouts love the plan, and those who have to pay for them, don't.

Obamacare was written by and for the major for-profit hospital networks, health insurance, and pharmaceutical companies. It's crony capitalism to the extreme, yet you defend it.
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Post  News Pigeon on Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:48 pm

Outerlimits wrote:Obamacare was written by and for the major for-profit hospital networks, health insurance, and pharmaceutical companies. It's crony capitalism to the extreme, yet you defend it.

Not really, that's the part that we don't like but Congress won't get on board with eliminating their benefactors and implementing single-payer..

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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:52 pm

News Pigeon wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:Obamacare was written by and for the major for-profit hospital networks, health insurance, and pharmaceutical companies. It's crony capitalism to the extreme, yet you defend it.

Not really, that's the part that we don't like but Congress won't get on board with eliminating their benefactors and implementing single-payer..

That's right! Single payer would be the best way to go, meanwhile they're never going to be able to get rid of Obamacare, and they know it!!

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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:11 pm

Obamacare has turned out to be a bait and switch scam based on lies and false promises. People thought they were going to get access and delivery of affordable healthcare and instead most people got less choice at a higher cost with a little more freedom taken away.

If you support UH you should be attacking the Obamacare, not defending it.
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:49 pm

Outerlimits wrote:Obamacare has turned out to be a bait and switch scam based on lies and false promises.  People thought they were going to get access and delivery of affordable healthcare and instead most people got less choice at a higher cost with a little more freedom taken away.

If you support UH you should be attacking the Obamacare, not defending it.

The real scam has been your proclamations along the way:
Obamacare is unconstitutional! Wrong
They'll never get 7 million people to sign up! Wrong
Obamacare will collapse under it's own weight! Wrong
Only 60% of the people who signed up have paid! Wrong

In unrelated proclamations:
There will be a bond crisis and rampant inflation: Wrong
The dollar is going into the tank! Wrong
The country's credit rating will go into the tank! Wrong

And now that unemployment is 5.9% you have been wrong about everything, Outerlimits!

Why don't you move to Kansas? They are practicing what you preach and collapsing under their own weight!!  Razz

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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:17 pm

There is so much wrong with your entire post it would take a week to correct it.  I am not about waste my time and rehash 4 years of obamacare threads full of facts you refuse to acknowledge.

Obamacare was passed on:

1. Families will save $2500 per year on insurance premiums.  That was a lie
2. There will be a 3000% savings on healthcare.  That was a lie
3. Every American will have health insurance.  That was a lie
4. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.  That was a lie
5. If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance. That was a lie.

Without these lies, Obamacare never gets passed.

The Democrats gave us Obamacare and it was a scam from the start.  They paid for it in 2010, they will pay for it again a week from Tuesday and they will continue to pay for it until it is replaced and forgotten.

Krauthammer has it right

What makes the problem even more acute is that Obama represents not just the party of government but a grandiose conception of government as the prime mover of social and economic life. The very theme of his presidency is that government can and should be trusted to do great things. And therefore society should be prepared to hand over large chunks of its operations — from health care (one-sixth of the economy) to carbon regulation down to free contraception — to the central administrative state.

But this presupposes a Leviathan not just benign but competent. When it then turns out that vast, faceless bureaucracies tend to be incapable, inadequate, hopelessly inefficient and often corrupt, Obama resorts to expressions of angry surprise.

He must. He’s not simply protecting his own political fortunes. He’s trying to protect faith in the entitlement state by portraying its repeated failures as shocking anomalies.

Unfortunately, the pretense has the opposite effect. It produces not reassurance but anxiety. Obama’s determined detachment conveys the feeling that nobody’s home. No one leading. Not even from behind.
Many people want government to care of all of these issues. There's one problem, actually two...

1- They are not the experts.

2- The people are not their top priority.

The people continue to suffer at the incompetence and disinterest of the government
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:45 pm

Many families are saving $12 thousand a year on Obamacare, and no one who had the required minimum insurance, not catastrophic, lost it! Obamacare was never intended to insure everyone, that would be a single payer system. Nothing is going to change after the election. The Republicans in Congress have been doing nothing for years and that's not going to change, no matter who takes the Senate. What you have to be concerned about is 2016, because you have no one who can beat Hillary. Besides, you're never going to get rid of Obamacare! Smile PS: Krauthammer is a jerk!

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Post  WHL on Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:57 pm

Broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record,broken record.
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:24 pm

WHL wrote:Broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record,broken record.

Did I tell you that you're never going to get rid of Obamacare??? Very Happy

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Post  News Hawk on Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:49 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
WHL wrote:Broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record,broken record.

Did I tell you that you're never going to get rid of Obamacare??? Very Happy

We'll see about that!

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"Some Democrats and their advocates in the press believe Obamacare, a year into implementation, is no longer much of a factor in the midterm elections.

But no one has told Republican candidates, who are still pounding away at the Affordable Care Act on the stump. And no one has told voters, especially those in states with closely contested Senate races, who regularly place it among the top issues of the campaign.

In Arkansas, Republican challenger Tom Cotton is pulling ahead of incumbent Democratic Sen. Mark Pryor partly on the strength of a relentless focus on Obamacare.
The Washington Examiner

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Post  WHL on Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:03 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
WHL wrote:Broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record,broken record.

Did I tell you that you're never going to get rid of Obamacare??? Very Happy

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Post  News Hawk on Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:54 pm

Outerlimits wrote:"...He must. He’s not simply protecting his own political fortunes. He’s trying to protect faith in the entitlement state by portraying its repeated failures as shocking anomalies..."

Unfortunately, the pretense has the opposite effect. It produces not reassurance but anxiety. Obama’s determined detachment conveys the feeling that nobody’s home. No one leading. Not even from behind.
Many people want government to care of all of these issues. There's one problem, actually two...

1- They are not the experts.

2- The people are not their top priority.

The people continue to suffer at the incompetence and disinterest of the government[/quote]

The Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works, and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don'ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society, and others don't. That’s the divide in America .

It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country.

That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it.

The politics of envy was on proud display a couple weeks ago when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery.

The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit.

It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America. It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, but a betrayal.

The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful – seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, income variations in society is a result of different choices leading to different consequences. Those who choose wisely and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure. Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education. You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.
My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but our lives also have had an inequality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine. Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.

It is not inequality Barack Obama intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and short-sighted decisions.

Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.
The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get."
Obama would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society, and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts.
It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln ’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
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Post  WHL on Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:49 am

Yep, when the takers are more than the givers, we become Detroit.
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Post  News Hawk on Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:25 am

News Buzzard wrote:The most important thing you need to know about Obamacare is you're never going to get rid of it!! Ask the newly insured 10 million what they think of it, and as soon as the rest of the states cave in on the Medicaid expansion there are another 5 million people waiting in the wings. You know what you can do with your polls!!!

Almost half of the low-income Americans who have enrolled in Medicaid in the past two years are immigrants to the United States, according to a new report, suggesting that Obamacare’s large expansion in the program will disproportionately benefit immigrants as well. “The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013,” the CIS report says.
—National Review



No

Illegals also have poor heath and lots of very expensive diseases to cure. Luckily the American middle class has money to burn and can easily afford to provide free medical care to anyone who wants it...

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Minnesota, home to many Somalies—some of whom have joined ISIS:

Minnesota human services officials didn't verify that low income people enrolling in health plans through MNsure were eligible for benefits they got, the state legislative auditor said Wednesday.

The state Department of Human Services did not check key eligibility criteria, such as Social Security numbers, citizenship, income, and household sizes for Medical Assistance (Minnesota's Medicaid program), MinnesotaCare, and Children's Health Insurance Program recipients.

That screening breakdown "resulted in ineligible persons receiving public health care benefits," the auditor said in its report. "They're not getting it right," Legislative Auditor Jim Nobles said. "We design these systems to make complex eligibility determinations...
—MPR

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Post  red_hill on Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:00 am

News Buzzard wrote:The most important thing you need to know about Obamacare is you're never going to get rid of it!! Ask the newly insured 10 million what they think of it, and as soon as the rest of the states cave in on the Medicaid expansion there are another 5 million people waiting in the wings. You know what you can do with your polls!!!

We may not get rid of it, but it will assist in bankrupting us. 5 Million more people sucking on the teat with a lower than originally touted 2nd wave of enrollees (that are paying).

On Monday, HHS announced that between nine million and 9.9 million individuals would enroll in plans through the Affordable Care Act's insurance exchanges during the second open enrollment period, lower than the Congressional Budget Office's projection of about 13 million enrollees, the New York Times reports.
The second open enrollment period begins on Nov. 15 and ends on Feb. 15, 2015. HHS said the total would include roughly 5.9 million people who had purchased coverage through the marketplaces last year and are re-enrolling. However, "most of the new marketplace enrollment for 2015 is likely to come from the ranks of the uninsured," according to HHS (Pear, New York Times, 11/10).

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Post  News Buzzard on Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:54 pm

We are not even close to bankruptcy, Red Hill. That is a never ending scare tactic brought to us by the Republican party!

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Post  red_hill on Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:23 pm

News Buzzard wrote:We are not even close to bankruptcy, Red Hill. That is a never ending scare tactic brought to us by the Republican party!

$18 Trillion at 1 and 2% interest is manageable for now. Once rates creep...

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Post  News Pigeon on Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:48 pm

So, perhaps this super-duper new Congress can come up with a few fixes.....J/K Laughing

We could always go to single-payer....

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Post  News Hawk on Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:27 am

News Buzzard wrote:"...We are not even close to bankruptcy..."

So when we become bankrupt, you'll be the first to advise us?

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