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Need a passport to get to Sullivan County!

Post  obervantone on Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:51 am

You and I apparently have a very different idea of what "growing up in" means if you think he "Grew up in New Hampshire"
Brown was born on September 12, 1959,[6] at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard located on Seavey's Island in Kittery, Maine[7] but after his parents divorced, when he was about a year old, his mother moved him to Wakefield, Massachusetts.[8] He often spent his summers in Newburyport, Massachusetts, where his father served as a city councilor for 18 years.

Even when the moderator gave him a hint as to the location of Sullivan County in the wording of his question Brown still had no clue as to where Sullivan County is!
You both live on the seacoast, so let’s go to the western part of the state and let’s talk about Sullivan County.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/30/scott-brown-new-hampshire_n_6079418.html

Brown...."New Hampshire...New Hampshire....wait a minute, I think I left it somewhere near Georgia...No, wait...John McCain was at one of my events....maybe it's near Arizona....I'll find it in a minute! "

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Post  News Hawk on Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:24 pm

obervantone wrote:Brown...."New Hampshire....New Hampshire....wait a minute, I think I know where it is...New Hampshire...where is my Atlas and GPS?"

Michelle Obama is rumored to consider taking the Senate seat of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)

Hearing that First Lady, Michelle Obama, may be considering a run to replace Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), if the 81-year-old retires in 2018, caused a shiver to run down my spine.

While it’s only a rumor at this point, rumors have a way of turning into reality especially when liberal Democrats are involved.
Read more at http://joeforamerica.com/2014/10/political-hell-earth-michelle-helm/

Illinois to California...what a concept!

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Post  obervantone on Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:30 pm

News Hawk
Michelle Obama is rumored
Oh Boy!  A Rumor!   Let's spread it around as FACT!

As reported by Fox
Kristina Schake, the first lady’s former communications director, said on Tuesday, “She is as likely to put her name in contention to be the next pope as she is to run for political office,” Politico reported.

In May, President Obama issued his own denial of the claims on “Live with Kelly and Michael” saying, “One thing I can promise you is that Michelle will not run for office.”

Damn! The rumor must be true,,,she's running!


Meanwhile, let's help Scotty boy find New Hampshire....where did he leave it?

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Post  WHL on Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:21 pm

See, you are following the talking points, observant, even though they are wrong. Read the posts above and see what REALLY was said.
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Since we are dealing in rumors

Post  obervantone on Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:51 pm

How's this one?

Mitch McConnell's Father-in-law's shipping company found "shipping" Millions of dollars in cocaine....BTW his shipping fleet does NOT operate under the U-S flag!

40kg Of Cocaine Found On Mitch McConnell’s Father-In-Law’s Boat

Author: Nathaniel Downes October 31, 2014 1:30 pm

James Chao, father of Mitch McConnell’s wife Elaine, has a lot of questions to answer after 40 kilograms of cocaine (about $6.7 million worth) was found on the Ping May, a ship owned by the Foremost Group, a company James Chao founded and led to a tidy fortune. But was that fortune built on honest movement of legitimate bulk trade goods, or has Mr. Chao been trading in less than legal goods?

The cocaine, found in 40 separate packages, was discovered during a routine inspection hidden among a load of coal bound for Europe from the port of Santa Marta, Columbia onboard the Ping May, one of 15 ships Foremost currently operates, with another 8 under construction. The final destination for the ship was to be the Netherlands, likely one of the port cities surrounding Amsterdam. It is known that the Ping May has been witnessed at the port of Zaanstad, one of these cities, in the past.

Foremost Group is the source of most of Senator McConnell’s fortune through gifts and inheritance from his in-laws. It is a shadowy corporation, utilizing a complex scheme of shell companies to skip out on millions in taxes annually.

They fly their ships under the flag of Liberia, a west African nation known for its lax labor protections, allowing Foremost the opportunity to exploit its ships’ workforce with little fear of recrimination. However, this status as an employer-friendly anti-labor nation also allowed western African nations, such as Liberia, to become one of the epicenters for drug smuggling through legitimate channels. By working to extract every red cent of profit at the cost of the laborers who make their fortunes possible, Foremost may have sewn the seeds of its own downfall.

It could be that some among the ships workforce, tired of being exploited, decided on being creative with their income. It could be that the drug cartels which dominate Columbia inserted the cocaine without any of the ships crew knowing. Or it could be that Mr. Chao is in league with the drug cartels, possibly for a very long time, and chose to fly under the Liberian flag for this very reason. We do not know.

It is most likely that Mr. Chao’s greed is the only crime for which he is guilty. By using this elaborate scheme to not only defraud the US government of owed taxes but to exploit his workforce, Mr. Chao may have made such a scenario a foregone conclusion. Now his company is under a microscope, the last place the very private man wanted it.

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See, you are following the talking points, observant, even though they are wrong. Read the posts above and see what REALLY was said

What is happening is that News Hawk is trying to change the topic again, as he usually does when it gets uncomfortable for him.   Yes, read the transcript or watch the video of the Brown statement that Sullivan County is north of Concord and in Ski Country and then try to poo poo his lack of knowledge about New Hampshire.  

Wonder what state Brown will claim he "grew up in" if he loses in New Hampshire and moves again....

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Post  WHL on Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:36 am

Why did the moderator admit that he was wrong, then?????
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Re: NH Senate: Shaheen (D) Booed and Jeered for Interrupting Closing Statement of Scott Brown (R)

Post  obervantone on Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:06 pm

Yes, Clarmont is north of Concord...but it is also decidedly WEST of Concord as is the rest of Sullivan County...and the only "ski area" that I am aware of in Sullivan County is Arrowhead which is a local ski hill, not a ski resort. The only ski resort would be Sunapee..but in answer to the question as you can see below... Scotty boy immediately went skiing and riding his snowmobile in the North Country.  He had no clue where Sullivan County is or what issues are facing people who live there even though the question contained the phrase "Western part of the State"...what good came of this is that he at least knows where Sullivan County is now since his bus driver got a GPS and went north...uhhh West to visit.

James Pindell: When it comes to jobs and the economy we have a big picture conversation, but I want to drill down to main street here in New Hampshire. You both live on the seacoast, so let’s go to the western part of the state and let’s talk about Sullivan County. Senator Brown what do you see going right in the economy in Sullivan County and what’s going wrong and please be specific.

Scott Brown: Well you’re absolutely right. Geography plays a role, along the southern border we have more jobs, and more opportunity, infrastructure and other opportunities up north that are difficult. But one of the biggest opportunities is tourism. One of the biggest opportunities are our ski areas and trails for snowmobiles. I support those efforts

From his answer it appears to me that Scotty boy's knowledge of New Hampshire is where the beaches are and where the ski resorts are...nothing else.

You ask why Mr Pindell issued a correction?  Because as a journalist he was wrong in saying parts of Sullivan County are not north of Concord and a good journalist always strives for complete accuracy, but the question was quite clear,  It was about Sullivan County in the Western Part of the State.  There was no confusion.

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Post  News Hawk on Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:16 pm

Scott Brown is bringing ruin to his own campaign: he is appearing in a debate with Candy Crowley George Stephanopoulis, the Socialist hack who originated the "Republican War on Women".

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Post  red_hill on Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:49 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:Insufficient coverage by whose standards?

How about the standards of the law? (which you'll never repeal)

Outerlimits wrote:Only if you were subsidized.

Anyone who has employer provided health insurance is subsidized! The premiums your employer pays for your insurance are not considered income for tax purposes.

Benefits are earned by workers as part of their package. Subsidies are not.

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Post  red_hill on Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:52 pm

WHL wrote:I totally agree with you Outer.  I am not thrilled with Brown being as moderate as he is as well as other moderate Repubs.  but they are better than the Dems!!!

Whew, at least I am better than a Dem Very Happy Very Happy

Us moderates get to cherry pick!!

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Post  WHL on Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:58 pm

Well, I still love ya' red, even if you are moderate.
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Post  News Buzzard on Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:37 pm

red_hill wrote:Benefits are earned by workers as part of their package. Subsidies are not.

I agree, but it is still a tax exemption under IRS rules, which is the equivalent of a subsidy. Anytime we get a break on our taxes, whether it be an exemption or credit, it's a subsidy!! We're OK with subsidies that we get, but some of us are not OK with subsidies that lower earners get under Obamacare!! That's a double standard.

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Shaheen Involved in Plot to Cut Freedom of Expression...

Post  News Hawk on Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:09 am

Democratic New Hampshire Sen. Jeanne Shaheen was principally involved in a plot with Lois Lerner and President Barack Obama’s political appointee at the IRS to lead a program of harassment against conservative nonprofit groups during the 2012 election, according to letters exclusively obtained by The Daily Caller.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) did not want to publicly release 2012 correspondences exchanged between the IRS and Jeanne Shaheen at her personal Washington office: the agency delayed releasing the information to a major conservative super PAC multiple times, even threatening to see the super PAC in court, according to emails.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/03/bombshell-memo-jeanne-shaheen-conspired-with-white-house-insider-on-irs-targeting-scandal/

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Post  Outerlimits on Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:40 am

News Buzzard wrote: I agree, but it is still a tax exemption under IRS rules, which is the equivalent of a subsidy. Anytime we get a break on our taxes, whether it be an exemption or credit, it's a subsidy!! We're OK with subsidies that we get, but some of us are not OK with subsidies that lower earners get under Obamacare!! That's a double standard.


Wow really?

You don’t see the difference between a standard deduction available to all tax payers and a subsidy available to only those who qualify?


Your argument is so flawed it’s impossible to take it or you seriously.  

Your side cries about fair share but can never explain how somebody’s fair share can be ZERO.   The Liberals have morphed into a bunch of whiners trying to find ways to take other people’s money.

I know, I know, your side doesn’t recognize that income and wealth has ownership but please try to keep in mind, not all Americans believe a little communism is a good thing. **

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Post  Outerlimits on Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:10 am

News Hawk wrote:
Democratic New Hampshire Sen. Jeanne Shaheen was principally involved in a plot with Lois Lerner and President Barack Obama’s political appointee at the IRS to lead a program of harassment against conservative nonprofit groups during the 2012 election, according to letters exclusively obtained by The Daily Caller.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) did not want to publicly release 2012 correspondences exchanged between the IRS and Jeanne Shaheen at her personal Washington office: the agency delayed releasing the information to a major conservative super PAC multiple times, even threatening to see the super PAC in court, according to emails.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/03/bombshell-memo-jeanne-shaheen-conspired-with-white-house-insider-on-irs-targeting-scandal/

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The IRS has continued to stall and illegally ignore deadline after deadline in order to delay the release of correspondence between their office and Senator Shaheen.

Now we know why.

Too bad it probably won’t make a difference at all in New Hampshire. Even after this has been brought to light, Democrats and low information voters will still support Shaheen.

It does underscore the Obama administration and Progressive attitude toward the law. The Justice Department, the NSA and IRS have operated outside the law as the punitive arm of a corrupt and illegal administration.
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Post  obervantone on Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:20 am

I'd never heard of "The Daily Caller" so I checked their website....an upstanding publication that no doubt has an unbiased view of politics....

co-founded and published by Neil Patel, former chief policy advisor to Vice President Cheney

So we know that they will weigh all sides and never slant anything toward the conservative republican point of view now don't we?  

Question, any second independent source for this story?
according to letters exclusively obtained by The Daily Caller.
Yeah, I didn't think so...

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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:08 pm

Outerlimits wrote:Wow really?

You don’t see the difference between a standard deduction available to all tax payers and a subsidy available to only those who qualify?
Your argument is so flawed it’s impossible to take it or you seriously.

If your health insurance comes from your employer you're not paying taxes on the value of that insurance premium. That's not available to those who don't have employer provided insurance! The standard deduction is not available to anyone who itemizes.

It's quite obvious that you're only OK with the breaks you get!! You got yours!! Rolling Eyes

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Post  Outerlimits on Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:28 pm

News Buzzard wrote:It's quite obvious that you're only OK with the breaks you get!! You got yours!! Rolling Eyes


I got mine????

I work Monday through Friday 50 hours per week. If you break it down weekly, all of the money I earn Monday, Tuesday and part of Wednesday morning, go directly to paying taxes. The rest of the week, well that’s my money . (for now)

Most working people have a similar breakdown, yet somehow, in your world, people like myself are getting a free pass and I am being subsidized. We are not paying our fair share of taxes.

We should probably work well into Wednesday afternoon or maybe even into Thursday…you know to pay our fair share. Heck I guess we should just feel happy about how much the government allows us to keep. Maybe we should just give them our whole paycheck, and they can give us an allowance…if we qualify.

We are at the apathy stage in this country. Start taking away our rights, a little at a time, no big deal.

Sure government health care sounds great, because we all know how cost effective the government is at running things. Anyone who thinks government can do a better job than people who are financially motivated, well they are the problem, they are the ones who elected these morons.

You still didn’t answer: How can someone’s “fair share” be ZERO?
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Post  WHL on Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:34 pm

Good post, Outer!!
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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:13 pm

Outerlimits wrote:You still didn’t answer: How can someone’s “fair share” be ZERO?

Why don't you ask George W Bush? His tax cuts set the stage for that.

It's too bad you don't have a job where you can declare your income to be carried interest, like Mitt Romney does, or it's too bad you're not one of those giant corporations who pay zero taxes!
How come Rep Camp's flat tax proposal fell on it's face? It's because too many of the goodies for the big guys would have been taken away. Guys like Mitt Romney would have had to pay a 25% instead of 13% tax rate. Maybe your employer should give you the cash to go buy your own health insurance. That would be part of your taxable gross income!!

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Post  Outerlimits on Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:56 pm

You are always entertaining. Laughing

You still didn’t answer how someone’s “fair share” be ZERO? You go on and on about the rich and corporations and how envious you are and believe they should be made to pay more, more, more. You talk about Romney and how little tax he pays (although it’s much higher gross than 99.9% of the population). You and all the other progressives show all this greed and envy while conjuring up new ways to divide up other peoples’ wealth while completely ignoring the fact that half of this country does not pay any income tax and these polices of dependence are making the problems bigger.

You claim everything is George W. Bush’s fault along with the Republicans in Congress even though Bush has been gone for almost six years and the Republicans control one half of one third of the government.

Somehow you missed the fact that your guy has been running the show and the have been ZERO attempts to change the tax code. Why? Because Obama and the rest of congress are in bed with Wall Street.

You have an issue with the tax code, so do I. You are conflating tax code and government subsidies. It is not the same thing and lumping them together is intellectually dishonest.

I am very sure that working taxpayers in this country would much rather pay income taxes on the full value of their insurance premiums in lieu of paying for everyone else’s insurance. But I am sure you would find that to be unacceptable. You want it all.
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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:44 pm

Outerlimits wrote:
You claim everything is George W. Bush’s fault along with the Republicans in Congress even though Bush has been gone for almost six years and the Republicans control one half of one third of the government.
 

It doesn't really matter how long Bush has been gone because most of his disastrous tax cuts are still in place.

Outerlimits wrote: Somehow you missed the fact that your guy has been running the show and the have been ZERO attempts to change the tax code.  Why? Because Obama and the rest of congress are in bed with Wall Street.

Somehow you missed the fact that one of your guys, David Camp, proposed a flat tax in the House which fell flat on it's face. The House majority is Republican! Anything Obama ever proposed never even got a vote in the House, and the Republicans in the Senate wore out the filibuster. I'm sure the Democrats will return the favor if the Republicans take the Senate!


Outerlimits wrote:I am very sure that working taxpayers in this country would much rather pay income taxes on the full value of their insurance premiums in lieu of paying for everyone else’s insurance.  But I am sure you would find that to be unacceptable.  You want it all.

You said it, not me, and that would never get any traction anywhere in the Republican party. They have all pledged allegiance to Grover Norquist instead of the American people.

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Post  Outerlimits on Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:56 am

News Buzzard wrote: It doesn't really matter how long Bush has been gone because most of his disastrous tax cuts are still in place.


All of President George W. Bush’s tax cuts were supposed to expire. Obama extended some of them thus making them Obama’s tax cuts.

News Buzzard wrote: Somehow you missed the fact that one of your guys, David Camp, proposed a flat tax in the House which fell flat on it's face. The House majority is Republican!.


You obviously didn’t ready my post when I said Obama and Congress (Democrats and Republicans) are in bed with Wall Street.  Neither side really wants to change the tax codes.


Last night was just the first step toward a real recovery and it is a major victory for the American people. It was not support of Republican politicians as much as it was a revolt against the policies of the current administration and the direction liberal government has taken the country both at the state and federal levels.  People are tired of big government, they are tired of bad government and a big exclamation point was sent out in earnest last night.

It's going to be interesting to see if Obama accepts the will of the nation and changes the course like Clinton did.   This is the only way he could save his legacy.
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Post  obervantone on Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:26 pm

Looking back at mid term elections since 1910:
The party of the incumbent president tends to lose ground during midterm elections: over the past 21 midterm elections, the President's party has lost an average 30 seats in the House, and an average 4 seats in the Senate; moreover, in only two of those has the President's party gained seats in both houses.
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It was not support of Republican politicians as much as it was a revolt against the policies of the current administration and the direction liberal government has taken the country both at the state and federal levels.  People are tired of big government, they are tired of bad government and a big exclamation point was sent out in earnest last night.
It has much more to do with the party that is not in the White House mobilizing their vote.  Losing seats in the mid-term is not the exception, it is the norm.  What remains to be seen is if Republicans will now stop being the party of No and work with the administration on behalf of the nation, because remember, the GOP does NOT have a veto proof margin.

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:48 pm

Outerlimits wrote:All of President George W. Bush’s tax cuts were supposed to expire. Obama extended some of them thus making them Obama’s tax cuts.

Obama and the Congress extended the Bush Tax cuts!! They'll always be the Bush tax cuts!!

Nothing is going to change with the results from yesterday. The Republicans had brought the country to a complete halt and the Democrats will never allow extremist legislation, such as vouchers and privatization! Obamacare is safe as well! The Republicans have to defend something like 22 seats in 2016 and they won't have Obama to bash anymore. Two more years of gridlock won't bode well for them either, so if I was Mitch McConnell I wouldn't get too comfortable in the leader's seat. The pundits already figure that Hillary has a lock on 245 electoral votes in 2016 so it shouldn't take too much for her to win, and with the Republicans holding a gerrymandered House it will probably mean 8 more years of gridlock. That's the disastrous result of the rise of the Tea Party!!

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