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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:10 pm


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Post  red_hill on Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:29 pm


Do you read the links or just the headline?

The average rate of change is “calculated by using a weighted average based on a geographic distribution of plans” and doesn’t necessarily represent the actual premium consumers will pay. But since that average is substantially lower than Johnson’s predictions and most enrollees will be shielded from the increase by federal subsidies, the charge seems particularly misleading.

Weighted average and subsidies used in the same paragraph!!

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Post  Anti Federalist on Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:39 pm

I would have figured the progs would have started bashing the ACA by now, in the push to get "single payer" fully socialized medicine in place.

They must be holding their cards until Obama leaves office.
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Post  WHL on Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:08 pm

OH they have admitted what they really want it single payer.
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Post  News Pigeon on Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:16 pm

WHL wrote:OH they have admitted what they really want it single payer.

"Admitted"???  We were very upfront from the very beginning that we wanted single payer and still do...

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:53 pm

red_hill wrote:Do you read the links or just the headline?

I read the whole article, thank you, and Johnson is still way off!

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Post  News Hawk on Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:48 am

Anti Federalist wrote:I would have figured the progs would have started bashing the ACA by now, in the push to get "single payer" fully socialized medicine in place.

They must be holding their cards until Obama leaves office.

From Germany to Greece, Europe is moving away from the encroaching public sector that has nearly destroyed the European Union.

So the trend of the world — even after the meltdown of September 2008 — is away from statism, except in the United States. I don’t say that lightly or as a slur, but empirically. The Obama administration has absorbed large sectors of the auto industry and some segments of banking and insurance. The student loan program is federalized.

I never understood cash for clunkers; it seemed flawed in every facet. If this administration has its way, it will hike income taxes and take off the caps on income subject to Social Security payroll taxes (potentially the largest tax increase in history) — part of an effort to redistribute income from the top to bottom brackets (40% of these income filers pay no income tax now at all). Inheritance, health care, and capital gains taxes are all slated to rise.

The failed British medical system is now our model. Yet even the pretense that it will save money is now abandoned.
http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/when-socialism-creeps-in/

From one failed system to another!

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Short-Term Insurance...

Post  News Hawk on Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:05 am

The health insurance industry isn't going away—ironically—because there is a free-market solution to Obamacare. (that hasn't been outlawed by Obama:)

There is another catch to having short-term insurance: Customers still have to pay the tax penalty for not having ObamaCare insurance. That fine is $95 annually per person, although it has been waived for those who lost their insurance due to ObamaCare. But by the year 2016, it will rise to a more substantial $695 per person or 2.5 percent of your income (whichever is greater.)

But Kosloske of Health Insurance Innovations says even with the fine, it is still worth it for most people to go with temporary insurance for now, unless their income is low enough to qualify for the largest subsidies.

“Basically, people making $37,000 or less should go on ObamaCare. People with serious pre-existing conditions -- they should go on ObamaCare. But for everyone else, including the penalties and including the subsidies [for ObamaCare plans], we cost 30-50 percent less and have that freedom of choice with providers.”

Health Insurance Innovations estimates that the short-term insurance industry as a whole has grown at 20-30 percent over the last year since ObamaCare was implemented and that it currently accounts for about 17.5 million policies.
Obamacare is good for the industry!

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Re: Senator Botches A Key Obamacare Stat

Post  News Buzzard on Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:40 pm

Obamacare is great for people who couldn't afford insurance. A bout with cancer can easily cost $1 million and up, but you don't care because you're on Medicare, that socialist government program you love to bash!! Rolling Eyes You also complain about the subsidies, as if you're not being subsidized on Medicare, but it's much wiser to subsidize people who buy insurance rather than give them free healthcare when they walk into an emergency room. The foundation of that argument was made by the Heritage Foundation and put in place by Mitt Romney, but you suddenly don't like it when Obama's name is attached to it. Rolling Eyes

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Re: Senator Botches A Key Obamacare Stat

Post  Outerlimits on Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:45 pm

Despite all the change we have seen to healthcare care since 2010 including increased health insurance security protections and benefits, the expansion of Medicaid, and subsidized private insurance plans, which have reduced the proportion of Americans who are uninsured from 18.0% to 13.4%, public approval of the ACA has not increased since the law was enacted.

As it has been since it was signed, Americans overwhelmingly disapprove of Obamacare. The law hasn't even been fully implemented yet still most of us are far from happy with Obama or the Democrats for their law.


Obamacare is not the same as the Heritage Plan. The only thing similar is the mandate, so making a statement like you did suggests you didn't read the plan and are only parroting the liberal talking points....again. Evil or Very Mad

Do you honestly believe giving free healthcare to millions will save money? Do you really believe that this will lower the amount of people using the ER as their PCP? Does that mean you are tired of the illegals who receive free medical care in our hospitals? Are we supposed to insure them as well?
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Post  News Hawk on Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:08 pm

News Buzzard wrote:You also complain about the subsidies, as if you're not being subsidized on Medicare, but it's much wiser to subsidize people who buy insurance rather than give them free healthcare when they walk into an emergency room. The foundation of that argument was made by the Heritage Foundation and put in place by Mitt Romney, but you suddenly don't like it when Obama's name is attached to it. Rolling Eyes
I've long-supported the right of states to implement any program they want. Healthcare shouldn't be forced onto any American!

News Buzzard wrote:Obamacare is great for people who couldn't afford insurance. A bout with cancer can easily cost $1 million and up, but you don't care because you're on Medicare, that socialist government program you love to bash!! Rolling Eyes
I'd like to know where you got that from—even our resident Stalker can't know—and I'd go outside the USA if a cancer treatment is denied to me by Obamacare.—or, more likely, "Single-Payer".

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Post  News Buzzard on Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:20 pm

Outerlimits wrote:As it has been since it was signed, Americans overwhelmingly disapprove of Obamacare.  The law hasn't even been fully implemented yet still most of us are far from happy with Obama or the Democrats for their law.

Americans also overwhelmingly disapprove the repeal of Obamacare, so it stands as legislation in place which requires legislation to repeal. Show me a politician with the stones to take health insurance away from 10 million people! Not gonna happen! Wink

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Post  News Buzzard on Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:25 pm

News Hawk wrote:
I'd like to know where you got that from—even our resident Stalker can't know—and I'd go outside the USA if a cancer treatment is denied to me by Obamacare.—or, more likely, "Single-Payer".

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You put it out there on the internet, CW. Don't flatter yourself by thinking I'm a stalker, and cancer treatment would only be denied by a fly by night policy not accepted by Obamacare.

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Post  News Hawk on Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:42 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Don't flatter yourself by thinking I'm a stalker
No, not you—the only "resident-stalker" on this forum.

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News Buzzard wrote:You put it out there on the internet, CW.
Neither you—and anybody else—can find any reference to my insurance status.

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Post  News Pigeon on Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:48 pm

Listen up Lone-Loser, you wish someone would stalk you but truth is, nobody gives a damn about you.... that's why you're so unhappy, hateful, paranoid & spiritually bankrupt.... Rolling Eyes

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