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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Hawk on Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:26 pm

Oopsy...make that SIX videos...

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Gruber's book is really the comic book portrayed here:



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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  obervantone on Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:14 pm

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I don't watch MSNBC or CNN because I can't stand their bias, but I wonder if they have even MENTIONED this guy??
Riddle me this Batman. You don't watch MSNBC or CNN because you can't stand their bias...but if you DON'T watch, how do YOU know if they are biased or not?

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Hawk on Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:28 pm

A snippet of MIT economist Jonathan Gruber speaking candidly has resurfaced, but this time it’s about himself rather than American voters.

“I’m an ivory tower guy at heart and do my thing and figure I’m an honest guy and people will trust it,” Gruber told Politico in Jan. 2010.

The self-description is likely to resonate with the public after several videotaped recordings surfaced this week of Gruber calling Americans “stupid” and bragging about how “a lack of transparency” was necessary to pass Obamacare.

Gruber called himself “an ivory tower guy” after it came to light that he had been paid $392,600 by the Obama administration to help create Obamacare. Some media outlets that used Gruber as a source – such as Politico and Ezra Klein, then of the Washington Post – were unaware of the arrangement.

After the revelation, Politico and Klein said they would disclose Gruber’s financial ties in the future. The New York Times went as far as attaching an editor’s note to a Gruber op-ed from the previous year.

“On Friday, Professor Gruber confirmed reports that he is a paid consultant to the Department of Health and Human Services, and that his contract was in effect when he published his article. The article did not disclose this relationship to readers,” the note reads.

“Like other writers for the Op-Ed page, Professor Gruber signed a contract that obligated him to tell editors of such a relationship. Had editors been aware of Professor Gruber’s government ties, the Op-Ed page would have insisted on disclosure or not published his article.”

But Gruber dismissed claims that he had a conflict of interest, saying his public writing was kept separate from his work for the administration."
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What a guy this Gruber is!

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  WHL on Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:43 pm

obervantone wrote:
WHL wrote:
I don't watch MSNBC or CNN because I can't stand their bias, but I wonder if they have even MENTIONED this guy??
Riddle me this Batman.  You don't watch MSNBC or CNN because you can't stand their bias...but if you DON'T watch, how do YOU know if they are biased or not?

Because I used to watch them but when Matthews got a thrill up his leg from Obama I had enough. I couldn't take it any more. I do think CNN does a good job on election coverage.
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  obervantone on Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:37 pm

Oh yeah, they are in bed with each other!

Chris Matthews: Obama "Intellectually Lazy," "Atrophied" By People Like Valerie Jarrett, Michelle Obama

Just keep repeating all that crap you hear and read without doing any of your own thinking or research.

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  WHL on Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:55 am

You don't think he said that about the leg thrill?? I HEARD him!!!!!!!
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Hawk on Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:14 am

obervantone wrote:Oh yeah, they are in bed with each other!

Chris Matthews: Obama "Intellectually Lazy," "Atrophied" By People Like Valerie Jarrett, Michelle Obama

Just keep repeating all that crap you hear and read without doing any of your own thinking or research.
The US media is in bed with the National-Socialists, so reading British newspapers has become the only relief from the Pablum the US media has been spooning out daily.

We'd never heard of Jonathon Gruber until this week!


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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  obervantone on Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:33 pm

WHL
You don't think he said that about the leg thrill?? I HEARD him!!!!!!!
Yes he did, 6 years ago.  So since you stated that when he made that comment is the last time you watched MSNBC they if course are still rerunning that broadcast right?

There is another problem that you seem to have and that is your inability to distinguish opinion shows from news programs.

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The US media is in bed with the National-Socialists, so reading British newspapers has become the only relief from the Pablum the US media has been spooning out daily.
Another opinion stated as fact. Never mind that overseas newspapers get the majority of their US information from US news organizations.

There is no substitute for doing research...taking the word of lunatics is what got us into this mess to begin with...

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  WHL on Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:56 pm

You are a fine one to criticize, obervantone.
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Hawk on Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:54 pm

obervantone wrote:
News Hawk wrote:The US media is in bed with the National-Socialists, so reading British newspapers has become the only relief from the Pablum the US media has been spooning out daily.
Another opinion stated as fact.  Never mind that overseas newspapers get the majority of their US information from US news organizations.  
The British have no need to hide the fifth column's news from us; indeed, they are in worse civil strife than we are.

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Nancy doesn't know, either...

Post  News Hawk on Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:22 pm

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Hawk on Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:27 pm

Anti Federalist wrote:There is a second clip of him saying the same thing.

Maybe somebody can post it.

My search fu is weak right now.

There are SIX revelations of Gruber's pulling the wool over our eyes now.

Gruber, again...




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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  obervantone on Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:14 pm

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You are a fine one to criticize, obervantone
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Would you care to elaborate or are you just throwing bombs now?

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  WHL on Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:17 pm

You said I only listen to biased news. Well, I am saying the same about you.
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  obervantone on Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:16 pm


by WHL
You said I only listen to biased news. Well, I am saying the same about you
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LOL...you ADMITTED not watching at least 2news sources for years, yet you feel qualified to tell me what their bias is....priceless.

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  WHL on Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:34 am

Gallup: 'New numerical low' for Obamacare
By LUCY MCCALMONT 11/17/14 6:00 AM EST
Support for Obamacare continues to decline, with the law hitting a new low in approval, and a new high in disapproval, as the second enrollment period has opened for Americans, according to Gallup.
Just 37 percent approve of the Affordable Care Act, 1 percentage point less than the previous low recorded in January, Gallup found in a new survey released Monday.
Story Continued Below

The pollster notes the approval results are a “new numerical low” for Obamacare.
(See more from POLITICO's Polling Center)
The second enrollment season kicked off on Saturday, with minor snagsl however, enthusiasm for the law remains underwhelming. A majority of Americans disapprove of Obamacare, at 56 percent — a new high, Gallup said.
“The law’s new low in approval — and new high in disapproval (56%) — could potentially have an impact on its future,” the pollster notes, but adds that repeal is still unlikely.
The Gallup poll was conducted Nov.6-9 and surveyed 828 adults. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Authors:

Lucy McCalmont lmccalmont@politico.com


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/poll-obamacare-approval-112948.html#ixzz3JKR8bLaK
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:04 am

The pollster added that repeal is unlikely, which is what I've been telling you all along! Wink

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The Washington Post reveals ObamaCare wasn't free...

Post  News Hawk on Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:13 am

Gruber found himself in hot water this week when an old video surfaced in which he explains how the Obama administration wriggled out of legislative trouble by hiding 'Cadillac taxes' on expensive medical insurance policies – by shifting the costs to insurers and trusting them to pass the financial burden on to their customers.

'The stupidity of the American voter' let him get away with it, he said in one videotaped speech at the University of Pennsylvania.

Gruber explained that the Obamacare law 'was written in a tortured way to make sure the CBO did not score the [individual insurance] mandate as taxes.'

'If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies.'

The Washington Post reported Friday that the National Institutes of Health put about $2.05 million in Gruber's pocket since 2008 for consulting work related to Medicare Part D prescription drug plans.

The Justice Department has added $1.7 million more – mostly for 'expert witness' testimony – since 2000.

And the State Department paid Gruber $103,500 in 2008 and 2009 for what the government vaguely calls legal services, according to an analysis by The Daily Caller.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2835384/Obamacare-architect-Jonathan-Gruber-billed-federal-state-governments-5-9-million-advice-videos-surface-showing-undercutting-landmark-law.html#ixzz3JKYH3r4I
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Gruber must be laughing at those Congressmen who voted for a law they didn't read. Since Gruber intentionally wrote the law to be undecipherable, those Congressmen have done "what they think is good for the rest of us".

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:09 pm

Both sides spin their legislation in an effort to sell it. You're spinning your wheels with Gruber! Rolling Eyes

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  WHL on Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:14 pm

I agree that appeal is unlikely. Once you get a law it is hard to get rid of it, no matter how bad it is or how much people hate it.
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  obervantone on Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:55 pm

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I agree that appeal is unlikely. Once you get a law it is hard to get rid of it, no matter how bad it is or how much people hate it.
I started to research the latest polling numbers to post for you to look at that shows Obamacare has more support than opposition, and that support grows, even among Republicans when you start talking about the specific aspects of the law, but then said to my self, why am I wasting my time?  She won't read it because it does not "agree" with her preconceived notions and it obviously can't be true because it was researched by someone she believes is a liberal.
Look it up yourself.

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Pigeon on Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:27 pm

obervantone wrote:
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I agree that appeal is unlikely. Once you get a law it is hard to get rid of it, no matter how bad it is or how much people hate it.
I started to research the latest polling numbers to post for you to look at that shows Obamacare has more support than opposition, and that support grows, even among Republicans when you start talking about the specific aspects of the law, but then said to my self, why am I wasting my time?  She won't read it because it does not "agree" with her preconceived notions and it obviously can't be true because it was researched by someone she believes is a liberal.
Look it up yourself.

Laughing Now you're getting the picture....that's why I stopped taking these peoples "opinions" seriously..... Cool

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  WHL on Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:56 pm

Didn't you read this?? Shows how well you read this forum.

Gallup: 'New numerical low' for Obamacare
By LUCY MCCALMONT 11/17/14 6:00 AM EST
Support for Obamacare continues to decline, with the law hitting a new low in approval, and a new high in disapproval, as the second enrollment period has opened for Americans, according to Gallup.
Just 37 percent approve of the Affordable Care Act, 1 percentage point less than the previous low recorded in January, Gallup found in a new survey released Monday.
Story Continued Below

The pollster notes the approval results are a “new numerical low” for Obamacare.
(See more from POLITICO's Polling Center)
The second enrollment season kicked off on Saturday, with minor snagsl however, enthusiasm for the law remains underwhelming. A majority of Americans disapprove of Obamacare, at 56 percent — a new high, Gallup said.
“The law’s new low in approval — and new high in disapproval (56%) — could potentially have an impact on its future,” the pollster notes, but adds that repeal is still unlikely.
The Gallup poll was conducted Nov.6-9 and surveyed 828 adults. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Authors:

Lucy McCalmont lmccalmont@politico.com


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/poll-obamacare-approval-112948.html#ixzz3JKR8bLaK
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  Outerlimits on Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:57 pm

obervantone wrote:
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I agree that appeal is unlikely. Once you get a law it is hard to get rid of it, no matter how bad it is or how much people hate it.
I started to research the latest polling numbers to post for you to look at that shows Obamacare has more support than opposition, and that support grows, even among Republicans when you start talking about the specific aspects of the law, but then said to my self, why am I wasting my time?  She won't read it because it does not "agree" with her preconceived notions and it obviously can't be true because it was researched by someone she believes is a liberal.
Look it up yourself.


What polling numbers are you looking at? There has not been a single poll that has favored Obamacare in almost 3 years,

RCP Average:10/8 - 11/13 Favor:37.7% Oppose: 51.6% Against/Oppose +13.9

And those numbers don't include GRUBERGATE

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Hawk on Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:38 pm

Anti Federalist wrote:While I'm certainly bent, this is nothing surprising. Like I already said, this is normal, this how the ruling class sees us Mundanes.

According to Gruber, Americans are stupid. Surely you agree that NO Republican voted for ObamaCare. That leaves Democrats as the stupid ones—a few of whom had to accept a "Federal bribe" to clear Congress.

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