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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:52 am

A 30% turnout, bought and paid for by the Koch brothers. Hardly a mandate!! Rolling Eyes

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:08 am

Outerlimits wrote:News Buzzard, I believe I was the one who said "Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing it's idiot". and it was on a previous forum.  I do regret making that comment as it is clear the village does not miss him at all.

Nothing racist about that???? Surely you jest! Your arguments are completely tainted by your racism.

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  obervantone on Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:50 am

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Signed, like all the others born then:
The birth certificate looked typed to me, not handwritten. So you are from Kenya?

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Pigeon on Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:18 pm

Yes indeed, he must be a Kenyan anti-Colonialist , hell bent on bringing down our government/country ....

See how easy it is to make that ridiculous leap! But one must already subscribe to racist views in order to buy that crap so easily...

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  Outerlimits on Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:02 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Nothing racist about that???? Surely you jest! Your arguments are completely tainted by your racism.

You try and try to blame others for Obama’s failures.

You try and try to claim his failure is success.

When you inevitably fail to make a reasonable argument…Its’ race card time.

In this case you had to go back years to pull a one-liner from an extinct forum to play it. Laughing

Then you claim victory declaring all opposing points invalid because in your mind you have successfully assassinated the credibility of the source.

It’s nearly impossible to take you seriously.

I will tell you again what I told you back then. Calling Obama an idiot has nothing to do with the color of his skin or where he is from, it has to do with the fact he is an idiot…and a liar.
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:16 pm

Outerlimits wrote:I will tell you again what I told you back then.  Calling Obama an idiot has nothing to do with the color of his skin or where he is from, it has to do with the fact he is an idiot…and a liar.

Nothing racist about that!! Rolling Eyes

Twenty million people signed up for Obamacare, with ten million of them being newly insured. Some failure rate, eh? Tell me, who really is the idiot here???

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  Outerlimits on Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:43 pm

Just answer me this…

Does that propaganda 20 million figure represent the amount that was promised?
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  WHL on Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:33 pm

I heard last night that NBC and ABC have not once mentioned Gruber.
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:17 pm

Outerlimits wrote:Just answer me this…

Does that propaganda 20 million figure represent the amount that was promised?

How can you say what was promised with so many states not participating in the Medicaid expansion, thanks to the Supreme Court? Are you trying to say that 20 million, 10 million newly insured, is not a successful number? How can you interpret the hard fact of the signups as propaganda? It's only propaganda if you choose not to believe it against the overwhelming evidence. Don't ever let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

I'll be watching Obama's speech tomorrow night on immigration! Wink

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  Anti Federalist on Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:17 pm

Wow, what a bunch of stinking hypocrisy all around...

What NH is failing to mention is that Gruber was the architect of RomneyCare as well, ACA is the bastard stepchild of RomneyCare, those who know me, know that, once again, I warned everybody what would happen, what a disaster it would be, that it amounted to, essentially, a tax on being alive, and that it would be adopted nationwide before long.

And that, ultimately, it was a scheme originally concocted by the Heritage institute and pushed by New Gingrinch, back in the 90s.

But my harshest criticism is for the "left-wing" posters in this thread.

Honestly...WTF?

Spin the argument into what TV news someone watches?

Oh yeah, and "RACIST!!!"

Piss up a rope, you honestly think that nonsense works anymore?

Or is this what you really want?

To be lied to and bullshitted by MIT elites to press into place a plan cooked up by Republicans?

Good god, get your heads out of your asses.

When Dick Cheney essentially admitted the same thing back in 2006, that it was done in order to get people behind the Iraq war, you people went nuts, for good cause, now you're defending it because it's something you want???

Fie on all of you, this country deserves just what it's going to get.

It's just a damn shame ya'll are going to drag me and my family down with you, when all I want is to be left the f*ck alone, and do the same thing for you.

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:18 pm

WHL wrote:I heard last night that NBC and ABC have not once mentioned Gruber.

Gruber is a non-issue!!

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Does NB know how many times he's hidden behind "the racial divide"?

Post  News Hawk on Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:14 pm

July 1, 2008, I said on Political Pistachio Radio that if Barack Obama is elected President, “The racial divide will deepen.”

Willie Lawson replied, “the racial divide will be bigger than we’ve ever seen.”

The first black President of the United States is inciting violence through racial divide.  He visited with the leaders of the Ferguson riots, and told them to “Stay on course.”

Rather than bring racial unity to the United States, the first black President in American history has brought greater racial strife.  From day one, any criticism of Barack Obama’s policies has been perceived by Democrats to be racially based. Obama’s radical policies have been counter to the Constitution of the United States, and considered extreme by those who believe in conservative political strategies.  His agenda has come under a storm of criticism, but the scenario has been established, and it has become all too easy for the liberal left progressives to pull out the race card.  Any criticism of Barack Obama is almost guaranteed to inflame racial tension, and division.

The folks that have fallen for the propaganda of racial division have decided that the Republican Party is full of racists, and anybody that dares to be anything but fully supportive of Barack Obama must be motivated by racism.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/67645

Back to Gruber—maybe?

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Pigeon on Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:03 am


What a disgusting article....
You don't stop until you've found some asinine article that supports your BS view...just admit that all of the racist cartoons etc that you post are exactly how you think but are too chickensh*t to say.....most cowards are hypocrites.

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  Outerlimits on Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:49 am

News Buzzard wrote:
How can you say what was promised with so many states not participating in the Medicaid expansion, thanks to the Supreme Court? Are you trying to say that 20 million, 10 million newly insured, is not a successful number? How can you interpret the hard fact of the signups as propaganda? It's only propaganda if you choose not to believe it against the overwhelming evidence. Don't ever let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

I'll be watching Obama's speech tomorrow night on immigration! Wink

20 million is propaganda

1. 20 million is an estimate and it includes Medicaid.
2. They are counting newly insured as those who were kicked off plans and signed up to the only choice available- Obamacare
3. Pre-Obamacare the annual new enrollment for health insurance in this country averaged 16 million people.

As to your claim that it’s the States’ fault for not setting up exchanges.  According to the CBO Obamacare would NEVER cover 100% only a single payer system could achieve 100%.  Obamacare as written would cover approximately 94% of Americans.  Without the exchanges and expanded Medicaid the estimate drops to 92%.

Obama claimed all Americans...That was a lie.

The SC determined Obamacare was a tax, Gruber confirmed this, and Democrats accepted otherwise Obamacare would be deemed Unconstitutional.  

Obama said it was not a tax. That was a lie.

The problem with supporting something that was built and sold on a foundation of lies is that people that support it must tell a whole bunch of NEW LIES to defend it…just like you just did.  There is no way around it.

The wreckage wrought by Obama Care is strewn across the landscape of American lives. People have seen their premiums rise, deductibles escalate, benefits decline, quality of care diminish, plans cancelled and doctors vanish. For what? When he began his first term, Obama vowed his health care law “will cover every American.” Yet, 41 million Americans are still uninsured. Is the law worth the $2 trillion dollars in taxpayer expense and the loss of 2.5 million jobs, as estimated by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office?"
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  red_hill on Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:50 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:Just answer me this…

Does that propaganda 20 million figure represent the amount that was promised?

How can you say what was promised with so many states not participating in the Medicaid expansion, thanks to the Supreme Court? Are you trying to say that 20 million, 10 million newly insured, is not a successful number? How can you interpret the hard fact of the signups as propaganda? It's only propaganda if you choose not to believe it against the overwhelming evidence. Don't ever let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

I'll be watching Obama's speech tomorrow night on immigration! Wink

The Chinese are happy to pay for Medicaid expansion... except they expect to be paid back.http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:17 pm

The United States is one of the lowest taxed countries in the world and our banks are dabbling in derivatives to the tune of $270 trillion.
To say we're broke is a complete falsehood generated by the Republican party in an effort to gut our social programs. The good news with our Republican intransigence is the cuts are not gonna happen and the Pentagon budget won't be any more bloated than it already is. No more Grand Bargain and no chained CPI calculation for Social Security. That's just robbing food off the table of our senior citizens.

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Pigeon on Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:23 pm

That's absolutely correct NB

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  red_hill on Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:36 pm

Read the clock again- The US has $115 Trillion in unfunded liabilities. Those 270T in derivatives certainly are not part of, and do not belong to, the US Treasury.

Your answer is to take money from those that are responsible and give it to those who are not...

First they came for the 1% and I stood by and did nothing
Then they came for the 10% and I did nothing
Then they came for me.

I paid 18K into SS last year. I paid my fair share plus a few other people's.

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Post  News Buzzard on Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:29 pm

I would love to see an itemization of that $115 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and that $270 trillion will be worthless to the banks if the country goes under, so we're all stakeholders in this. Anyone self employed pays both sides of the SS and Medicare tax, and that has to be figured in when one goes into business. If you live a normal life cycle you'll pull a lot more money out of those programs after retirement. One bout of cancer will head well north of $1 million, and I hope you never have to worry about that, Red Hill.

The important thing to me now is there will be no more grand bargain with our social programs. That ship has sailed!! The Democrats have the filibuster and the veto pen at their disposal, and I like Hillary's chances in 2016. The Republicans in the House weren't planning on doing anything that makes any sense over the next 2 years anyway! Their caucus has been hijacked by the extremist Tea Party.

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Post  News Pigeon on Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:38 pm

Amen said the choir.... Laughing

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:52 pm

News Pigeon wrote:Amen said the choir.... Laughing

Don't you love that $115 trillion unfunded liabilities number? That's based on liabilities and projected tax revenues over the next 75 years, but any change in the future tax revenues changes that calculus. It's just another conservative scare tactic!!

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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  Outerlimits on Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:48 pm

News Buzzard wrote:The United States is one of the lowest taxed countries in the world and our banks are dabbling in derivatives to the tune of $270 trillion.
To say we're broke is a complete falsehood generated by the Republican party in an effort to gut our social programs. The good news with our Republican intransigence is the cuts are not gonna happen and the Pentagon budget won't be any more bloated than it already is. No more Grand Bargain and no chained CPI calculation for Social Security. That's just robbing food off the table of our senior citizens.


Obama has got all his sheep parroting his Marxist class warfare rhetoric. They're become really bold, no shame at all. These tactics are actually discussed in chapter one of the Communist Manifesto, Bourgeois and Proletarians. Divide the people and conquer.

You obviously feel entitled to this wealth that you never worked for.

So what do you want to do about it? If you were a dictator what would you order to bring back fairness? Wealth is not finite. Wealth is created. One person becoming wealthy does not mean someone else gets poorer. There is no "redistribution" from the poor (or middle class) to the rich. That is socialist propaganda.

Looks like you have been Grubered again.
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Buzzard on Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:15 pm

Marxist rhetoric, my a$$! If the federal budget didn't go up 89% on Bush's watch, we'd be better off!

If Bush didn't cut taxes to the tune of $400 billion a year in lost revenue, we'd be better off!

If Bush didn't start 2 atrocious wars, which he couldn't finish, to the tune of trillions, we'd be better off!

If Bush did a better job with the economy, instead of a near collapse, we'd be better off!

And now the Republican nitwits talk as if they had no fault with our near collapse, and they throw out idiotic terms like Marxism and Socialism because they're too cheap to pay another dime in taxes to pay for all of Bush's mistakes.
Guess what; there will be no grand bargain, there will be no cuts to social programs and there will be no repeal of Obamacare, so keep whining like a little child. That's all you know how to do!! What a joke!! No

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The Grubers Voted This Idiot into this Messy Lie—Twice!

Post  News Hawk on Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:10 pm

Anti Federalist wrote:
What NH is failing to mention is that Gruber was the architect of RomneyCare as well...,"
Massachusetts can choose the government it wanted—even in healthcare.

Anti Federalist wrote:To be lied to and bullshitted by MIT elites to press into place a plan cooked up by Republicans?
The people of Massachusetts wanted to have a workable plan prepared by Government—and not private industry.
Republican Romney provided it.   (The RINO).
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Re: Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Post  News Hawk on Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:22 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Does this quote sound familiar? "Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing it's idiot".

It's getting around, but I've seen that they don't miss him at all.




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