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Post  obervantone on Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:53 pm

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Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Wood was the commander of the 16-man Special Forces security detail at the U.S. embassy in Tripoli, Libya, until the State Department ordered him and his men home on August 5, 2012 and never replaced them.

Funny, you didn't mention this"
Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'


Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.

On Wednesday morning, CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien asked the Utah Republican if he had "voted to cut the funding for embassy security."

"Absolutely," Chaffetz said. "Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country.
The Huffington Post    | By  Sarah Bufkin  

Posted:  10/10/2012 1:32 pm EDT

Or this:

House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012....Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Hawk on Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:20 am

Nobody cut the Marines from the attack helicopter ship, Kearsage. What happened instead was:

The US helicopter assault ship Kearsarge, WAS in the region, ready to airlift Benghazi personnel to safety. If Hillary did not know the Kearsage was ready to roll, she's as incompetent as the rest of them..... her all-girl State Dept and the Obama admin.

Hillary's contempt for the military is well known. Some installations have a military presence, but are not permitted ammunition!

We allowed a contractor to hire local nationals as security guards, but said they can't have bullets. This was all part of the point of not having a high profile in Libya."

According to Hunt, the debacle at the American mission in Benghazi is directly the result of Obama's new policies. "The policy of the Obama administration led to this," he said.

"It was the policy of the Obama administration to have a low profile in Libya. That's why the rules of engagement were approved by the Secretary of State to have no Marines at Benghazi, and to have an American contractor hire Libyan nationals to provide security there. The rules were they couldn't have ammunition."


Regarding Benghazi:


MS. NULAND: There were not marines at this mission.

QUESTION: Why not?

MS. NULAND: They – we have a number of posts around the world. We have – there are embassies without marines, there are other consulates of this type without marines. We make a decision based on the local conditions as to whether that makes sense, but this posture that we had, which was external security by the Libyans and then a strong U.S. security presence – but it didn’t include that particular contingent of Americans – inside, in a number of other missions that look a lot like Benghazi. . .

QUESTION: Is that for marines coming generally from the mission itself, or does the State Department say, you know, the situation’s really bad right now in this particular section of the world, perhaps we should have marines based here.

MS. NULAND: It’s not a matter of marines necessarily being a qualitatively different way of securing. There are many other ways to secure that are equivalent, too. It depends on the circumstances and it is different in every part of the world, and we evaluate it along with our friends at the Defense Department and other agencies individually, per mission.

More:

Retired Lt. Col.: My Sources Say Obama Was in the Room Watching Benghazi Attack Happen

Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said Saturday he has sources saying President Barack Obama was in the room at the White House watching the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya unfold.

Two unarmed U.S. drones were dispatched to the consulate and recorded the final hours of the attack, which killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

“This was in the middle of the business day in Washington, so everybody at the White House, CIA, Pentagon, everybody was watching this go down,” Shaffer said on Fox News’ “Justice with Judge Jeanine.” “According to my sources, yes, [Obama] was one of those in the White House Situation Room in real-time watching this.”

Shaffer served as a senior operations officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency in Afghanistan in 2003 and wrote a book critical of the policies there. The U.S. government purchased the entire print run for $47,000 in an attempt at censorship just before its 2010 publication, claiming it contained classified material.

Shaffer said the question now is what precisely Obama did or didn’t do in the moments he saw the attack unfolding. The CIA reportedly made three urgent requests for military backup that were each denied.

“He, only he, could issue a directive to Secretary of Defense Panetta to do something. That’s the only place it could be done,” Shaffer said.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last week the military did not intervene because they did not have enough information about what was happening on the ground.

Col. David Hunt, a Fox News military analyst, said the military could have had jets in the air within 20 minutes and forces on the ground within two hours.

“The issue is always political with the White House, but the secretary of defense gives the order, has to be approved by the White House, they wouldn’t pull the trigger, and it’s disgraceful,” Hunt said. “We’ve got guys dead.”
—http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/28/retired-lt-col-my-sources-say-obama-was-in-the-room-watching-benghazi-attack-happen/
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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  obervantone on Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:38 am

I Know that News Hawk has a reading comprehension issue and is forgetful at times so let me REPOST the summary of the investigative hearings issued by the Republican led committee that has been investigating the Benghazi attack in order to discredit the Obama administration....uhhhh I mean get to the truth of the matter:

The Committee first concludes that the CIA ensured sufficient security for CIA facilities in Benghazi....Appropriate U.S. personnel made reasonable tactical decisions that night, and the Committee found no evidence that there was either a stand down order or a denial of available air support....

Second, the Committee finds that there was no intelligence failure prior to the attacks. In the months prior, the IC provided intelligence about previous attacks and the increased threat environment in Benghazi, but the IC did not have specific, tactical warning of the September 11 attacks.

Third, the Committee finds that a mixed group of individuals, including those affiliated with Al Qa'ida, participated in the attacks...

Fourth, the Committee concludes that after the attacks, the early intelligence assessments and the Administration's initial public narrative on the causes and motivations for the attacks were not fully accurate....There was no protest. The CIA only changed its initial assessment about a protest on September 24, 2012, when closed caption television footage became available on September 18, 2012 (two days after Ambassador Susan Rice spoke)....

Fifth, the Committee finds that the process used to generate the talking points HPSCI asked for—and which were used for Ambassador Rice's public appearances—was flawed....

Finally, the Committee found no evidence that any officer was intimidated, wrongly forced to sign a nondisclosure agreement or otherwise kept from speaking to Congress, or polygraphed because of their presence in Benghazi. The Committee also found no evidence that the CIA conducted unauthorized activities in Benghazi and no evidence that the IC shipped arms to Syria.

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Buzzard on Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:00 pm

You must remember, Obervantone, that this forum is a fact free zone, and the right wingers here won't even believe a report put out by a Republican Committee! Thanks for the report! Smile

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That 3-AM Telephone Call...

Post  News Hawk on Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:40 pm

Everybody in Wolfeboro had the opportunity to hear Lt. Col'n Hunt on the radio. He substituted often for Howie Carr. His extended inputs on Benghazi occurred immediately after the al Q'aida raid on the US embassy. I trust Lt. Col'n Hunt more than any politician.

The committee's Republicans probably have their own political reasons to cease asking questions of those assigned protective embassy duties within the White House. Our four American dead bodies supply the view that inept leadership continued among Obama, Hillary, and the most important staff members—at that "3-AM" telephone call.

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Buzzard on Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:31 pm

The Republicans themselves have ended the Benghazi Hoax! Maybe the guy in the mirror will believe you!! No

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Hawk on Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:49 pm

News Buzzard wrote:The Republicans themselves have ended the Benghazi Hoax! Maybe the guy in the mirror will believe you!! No
You're missing a lot by not listening to Lt. Colonel David Hunt; but I can only lead you to water—and can't make you think.

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Buzzard on Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:56 pm

News Hawk wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:The Republicans themselves have ended the Benghazi Hoax! Maybe the guy in the mirror will believe you!! No
You're missing a lot by not listening to Lt. Colonel David Hunt; but I can only lead you to water—and can't make you think.

And now I'm supposed to ignore an exhaustive report by the House Committee and listen to Colonel Hunt?? Rolling Eyes

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911-Report Wasn't So Great Itself...

Post  News Hawk on Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:45 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
News Hawk wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:The Republicans themselves have ended the Benghazi Hoax! Maybe the guy in the mirror will believe you!! No
You're missing a lot by not listening to Lt. Colonel David Hunt; but I can only lead you to water—and can't make you think.

And now I'm supposed to ignore an exhaustive report by the House Committee and listen to Colonel Hunt?? Rolling Eyes

Then listen to Seymour Hersh. It seems that US activities in Benghazi involved shipping military weapons to fight Assad in Syria...

Note that this finding specifically refers to the collection and facilitation of weapons shipments at the CIA Annex.

Does this rule out that the CIA might not have facilitated arms sales “indirectly” through third-party “cut outs?” Would such activities qualify as “authorized activities?” Would such activities have to be disclosed publicly?

Consider what investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, wrote in a bombshell April 2014 article in the London Review of Books [emphasis ours]:

A highly classified annex to the report [a Senate Intelligence Committee report from January 2014], not made public, described a secret agreement reached in early 2012 between the Obama and Erdoğan administrations. It pertained to the rat line [a back channel developed in this case to transfer weapons to Syria].

By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria. A number of front companies were set up in Libya, some under the cover of Australian entities. Retired American soldiers, who didn’t always know who was really employing them, were hired to manage procurement and shipping. The operation was run by David Petraeus, the CIA director who would soon resign when it became known he was having an affair with his biographer. (A spokesperson for Petraeus denied the operation ever took place.)

Seymour Hersh continues:

The operation had not been disclosed at the time it was set up to the congressional intelligence committees and the congressional leadership, as required by law since the 1970s. The involvement of MI6 enabled the CIA to evade the law by classifying the mission as a liaison operation.

The former intelligence official [one of Hersh's primary sources] explained that for years there has been a recognized exception in the law that permits the CIA not to report liaison activity to Congress, which would otherwise be owed a finding. (All proposed CIA covert operations must be described in a written document, known as a ‘finding’, submitted to the senior leadership of Congress for approval.) Distribution of the annex was limited to the staff aides who wrote the report and to the eight ranking members of Congress – the Democratic and Republican leaders of the House and Senate, and the Democratic and Republicans leaders on the House and Senate intelligence committees. This hardly constituted a genuine attempt at oversight: the eight leaders are not known to gather together to raise questions or discuss the secret information they receive.

The consulate’s only mission was to provide cover for the moving of arms,’ the former intelligence official, who has read the annex, said. ‘It had no real political role.’

Ken Timmerman, author of “Dark Forces,” with whom we spoke earlier this year on Benghazi, agrees with Seymour Hersh's assessment, telling us recently via e-mail: “In the Benghazi-to-Syria transfers, CIA most likely operated under existing Global War on Terrorism findings and more generally under cover of ‘liaison’ operations which are not considered U.S. Covert ops.”

The Committee "white-washed" the report to enable "cover".

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  obervantone on Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:07 pm

Right, because Republican controlled committees routinely protect the Obama Administration.

Even Faux News is ignoring the report...wonder why?

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Pigeon on Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:36 pm

Laughing Seems that Seymour Hersh has to re-invent himself every decade or so.....he made similar claims toward Bush/Cheney but nothing ever happened Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes perhaps he's just another egomaniac that thrives on his own fantastic answers to all of these conspiracy theories Laughing

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Hawk on Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:38 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
"...And now I'm supposed to ignore an exhaustive report by the House Committee..."

Documents were withheld !


“These documents took years to see the light of day and show the Obama administration had a security emergency on the day of the Benghazi terrorist attack. And the documents indicate the administration specifically withheld this pertinent information from both Congress and the American people.

It seems an odd coincidence the Middle East firm providing security for the Benghazi facility desperately wanted out two days before the terrorist attack,” stated Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton.
—http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-state-department-documents-show-security-contractor-operating-without-license-benghazi-day-terrorist-attack/

What transparency?

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Pigeon on Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:15 pm

News Hawk wrote:
It seems an odd coincidence the Middle East firm providing security for the Benghazi facility desperately wanted out two days before the terrorist attack,” stated Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton.
—http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-state-department-documents-show-security-contractor-operating-without-license-benghazi-day-terrorist-attack/


There's nothing odd about that, everyone involved knew that it was becoming more dangerous to be there, including Stevens and his staff.

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Hawk on Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:57 pm

obervantone wrote:Summary of the Republican controlled House Select Intelligence Committee....gee, I wonder why it was not released until AFTER the Mid-Terms.....must just be coincidence.

The summary isn't as dramatic as some of the testimony we missed:

News Buzzard wrote:And now I'm supposed to ignore an exhaustive report by the House Committee and listen to Colonel Hunt?? Rolling Eyes

Eric Nordstrom was the Regional Security Officer at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, Libya—his testimony was as follows:


“I said, ‘Jim, you know what makes — most frustrating about this assignment? It’s not the hardships, it’s not the gunfire, it’s not the threats,’” Nordstrom said. “’It’s dealing and fighting against the people, programs and personnel who are supposed to be supporting me,’ and I added it by saying, ‘For me, the Taliban is on the inside of the building.’”
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/taliban-inside-the-building.php


Here is the video.


They are in the White House!

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Today, CNN Protects Hillary... This is going to make me look bad?

Post  News Hawk on Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:54 pm

On the talk shows, Rice described the attack as a protest over an anti-Muslim video, which erupted spontaneously into violence.

Clinton never made that characterization
, and after intense Republican charges of downplaying the attack, administration officials began to call it a "terrorist attack."  

CNN

Hillary, quoted:

Hillary Clinton - “This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies OVER AN AWFUL INTERNET VIDEO that we had nothing do to with.”
newsbusters.com
See for yourselves...


CNN also characterized Hillary as "being exhausted".

Is that what you want to hear of a President?

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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Buzzard on Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:40 pm

What's your point? Benghazi has been investigated over and over again 8 times now and the Intelligence Committee said there was nothing to any of the BS. Just another hit job on Hillary, that's all it is. She's not my first choice but I don't think anyone needs to be smeared like that, and I'm thinking that it's all going to work in her favor. Keep overreaching and you'll get her elected.

I posted that Harvard study and folks 18-29 want to keep a Democrat in the White House, 55%-40%, so the Republicans are making a conscious effort to take out Hillary.

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True Believers...CNN

Post  News Hawk on Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:25 pm

News Buzzard wrote:What's your point?

That CNN didn't even view the video that contradicts their reporting—and defended Hillary apparently without question.





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Post  News Buzzard on Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:56 pm

And don't you know that Obama was born in Kenya???????? elephant


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Post  WHL on Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:11 pm

Ah, the truth finally dawned on you, NB!!
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Re: House Intel Panel Debunks Benghazi Theories

Post  News Hawk on Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:00 pm

News Buzzard wrote:And don't you know that Obama was born in Kenya???????? elephant
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The Constitution requires a "natural-born citizen". Dims, including Hillary, don't pay attention to rules.

BTW:

Hillary has already lost one presidential campaign!

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