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Utah mulling idea of turning off water to huge NSA spy center

Post  Anti Federalist on Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:44 am

Will Utah Succeed Where the USA Freedom Act Failed?

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/11/20/will-utah-succeed-where-the-usa-freedom-act-failed/



With some prominent privacy activists recognizing that appealing to Congress to stop NSA spying is futile, a hearing today in Utah shows that there is another path to shutting down mass surveillance. One that can work.

WATER

A bill known as the 4th Amendment Protection Act was introduced by Utah State Rep. Marc Roberts earlier this year. The goal if passed? To begin the process of turning off resources – like water – to the NSA facility in Bluffdale. Since the spy center will be using up to 1.7 million gallons of water to cool its servers every day, turning off the spigot will have the effect of shutting it down.

That’s just what happened in Nevada when they refused water permits to the Department of Energy’s Yucca Mountain nuclear storage project, and a federal judge even ruled in the state’s favor in 2007.

“The validity of Western states’ groundwater rights and the right to regulate water in the public interest is not a right to be taken lightly, nor is it a right that can cavalierly be ignored or violated by a federal agency,” wrote Judge Roger L. Hunt.

And while the Utah legislature didn’t pass the bill last spring, an important committee referred it to further study. That “study” happened today in an important public utilities interim committee hearing to investigate the data center’s deals on water and electricity.

STRONG SUPPORT

There was significant public support for the bill both prior to and at the hearing. The room was packed, and it was even jokingly noted by a sponsor of another bill that the people were obviously not “there for my bill.” And one inside source said that committee members had received “tons” of emails in support of the legislation.

A well-known member of the tech community spoke in favor of the bill, explaining how he was moved in support due to another failure by Congress.

“I opposed the effort to turn off the water to the NSA data center last year because I was hoping the Federal Congress would take action,” said Pete Ashdown, the founder and CEO of Utah’s first independent and oldest Internet service provider, XMission. “They have tried three times to take action, and failed three times. So I really do think it is a state issue at this point to show that we do not support these infringements on our rights.”

“The data center here was welcomed by the state of Utah with a promise that their activities would remain within Constitutional bounds,” said Roberts. “I think we all know and are aware that has been violated,” he continued.

Joe Levi, vice-chair of the Davis County Republican Party, also spoke in favor of the bill. “This is a bill about civil rights, This is a bill that needs to be taken up and needs to be taken seriously,” he said.

“We all chuckle when we talk about how the NSA has already read this, how NSA probably is listening right now. That’s the problem,” continued Levi.

HARD TRUTH: THE NSA ISN’T GOING TO STOP ITSELF

At The Intercept today, Glenn Greenwald wrote that “Congress is irrelevant on mass surveillance,” and he’s right. In fact, he said what we’ve been saying here all along:

All of that illustrates what is, to me, the most important point from all of this: the last place one should look to impose limits on the powers of the U.S. government is . . . the U.S. government. Governments don’t walk around trying to figure out how to limit their own power, and that’s particularly true of empires.

Following that, Greenwald explained what steps people should take to protect their privacy in an age where the US Government will not. But what he failed to mention might be the biggest one of all. Utah.

If Utah – and 10-12 other states around the country – would turn off resources to the NSA, that would create an atmosphere where even if the agency weren’t fully shut down, they’d be reeling to the point that they could be run out of town.

And that’s the end goal.

Contact your state legislators today. Whether you live in an NSA-facility state or not, we need to box them in and make it nearly impossible for them to keep the lights on.

Together, we can pull the rug out from under the NSA and shut them down.
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Post  News Buzzard on Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:49 am

And then the National Guard goes in to turn the water back on. Rolling Eyes

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Post  News Hawk on Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:28 am

Anti Federalist wrote:

HARD TRUTH: THE NSA ISN’T GOING TO STOP ITSELF

NSA will dig a deep well on FedGov's and build cooling towers—recycling the water—at taxpayers' expense, losing much ground water to evaporation. (Or move to Nevada, who would welcome the FedGov's income—or move to Canada or Australia, who already "mines data" with the US).

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Post  Anti Federalist on Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:00 pm

Can I get both of you gentlemen to agree on a couple things?

That "the land of the free" is a hollow joke, when government is scooping up and listening in on every single byte of data we generate?

That there is no way, in pluperfect hell, you can call us a "free society" when everything is under government surveillance.

And that maybe we ought to come together and at least try to stop it?

Or shall we argue about health care some more?
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Post  News Buzzard on Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:12 pm

Have you ever shoveled sand against the tide. The USA, with the backing of the Supreme Court, has become an oligarchy, so you have very little recourse against the government.

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Post  Anti Federalist on Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:28 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Have you ever shoveled sand against the tide. The USA, with the backing of the Supreme Court, has become an oligarchy, so you have very little recourse against the government.

Soooo, we just give up and accept being ruled over in an increasingly authoritarian manner, while we argue over scraps from the king's table?

There's plenty that can be done, the people of Ferguson proved that.

So did the people at Bundy Ranch.

But nobody will "get behind" them, because they are "a bunch of right wing crackers" or "black ass ghetto trash".

When in fact, they both, and all of us, have a common enemy, which is, of course, the ruling class oligarchy and their increasingly warlike, belligerent and hostile enforcement organs.
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Post  News Buzzard on Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:36 pm

No. You try to change the system from within, not turn the water off, and I'm not so sure I agree with stopping all surveillance. We live in a very dangerous world today!

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Post  Anti Federalist on Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:00 pm

News Buzzard wrote:No. You try to change the system from within, not turn the water off, and I'm not so sure I agree with stopping all surveillance. We live in a very dangerous world today!

That was tried, and failed.

So, on to the next step.

So you are OK with just small violations of the Bill of Rights?

If you want to put somebody under surveillance, then you go get a warrant, and have a real judge approve it.

You do not scoop up the entire country's communications.

Dangerous? In real terms, not hardly, things have never been so safe, actually.

But the danger that is out there, mostly comes from government.

I have zero fear that ululating jihadists are going to storm my home at oh-dark-thirty with tanks, APCs, grenades and automatic weapons.

Cops do that 84,000 times a year in the land of the free however, and they routinely get the wrong home or the wrong person, and real people and pets get killed, injured and terrorized.
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