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Post  Outerlimits on Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:14 am

Obamacare offers firms $3,000 incentive to hire illegals over native-born workers

Under the president’s new amnesty, businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants over native-born workers because of a quirk of Obamacare.
President Obama’s temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacare’s health exchanges.
Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them won’t have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage — making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/

That's awesome!

Enjoy.  cheers
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Post  Anti Federalist on Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:43 pm

Well, now, isn't that just dandy...
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Post  News Hawk on Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:10 pm

Romney's fault...

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Post  Anti Federalist on Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:42 pm

News Hawk wrote:Romney's fault...

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I maintain that it was.

He was the one who pushed it through down in Mass.

I told you, remember, way back in the WOL days, what a nightmare it would be and that it would be adopted nationally.

Where it would be an even bigger nightmare.
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Post  WHL on Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:56 am

So do you think Romney really wanted it or was it just that he knows how Democratic Mass. is and he felt he needed to "compromise" to maintain his popularity?
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Post  Anti Federalist on Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:34 am

WHL wrote:So do you think Romney really wanted it  or was it just that he knows how Democratic Mass. is and he felt he needed to "compromise" to maintain his popularity?

I think he really was a "true believer".

Remember, the whole idea was cooked up by the Heritage Institute, and originally pushed by Newt Gingrinch back in the 90s.

It's one of those issues that, because it is so bad, and sets so many anti liberty precedents, it had support on "both sides of the aisle".

Now, the GOP can backpedal on it and use it as a club to beat up Obama with, but with our opposition posters, I will agree: the GOP will make no meaningful effort to repeal ObamaCare.

It's here to stay until it fails of its own accord in 10 or 20 years, to be replaced with fully socialized health care.

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Post  WHL on Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:41 am

I think he is a little liberal too-Romney that is. He is a good businessman but ----
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Post  News Hawk on Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:04 am

When we needed a businessman, instead we got Obama.

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A wise word from the Internet...:

"When the government routinely violates its own laws for political ends then everything begins to fail. People start hoarding wealth instead of trying to create it. If everything boils down to favoritism and which politicians you can bribe or buy, when the politicians buy votes by forcibly redistributing wealth from the makers to the takers, then the makers simply stop making. Or they give up and become takers themselves. Then you have just another banana republic".

Imagine a worse President than Jimmy Carter in most American's lifetimes!

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Post  WHL on Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:23 pm

That statement is so well put. The makers will stop making or become takers is exactly what will happen if this path continues.
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Post  News Buzzard on Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:35 pm

The worst president in this country's history is George W Bush!

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Post  WHL on Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:06 pm

Are you kidding me, NB????? I agree he wasn't much, but he was hardly the worst.
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Post  obervantone on Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:38 pm

Yeah, Obama sucks.
http://ourfuture.org/20140818/bush-vs-obama-on-the-economy-in-3-simple-charts
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/10/31/obama_touts_economic_record_youre_welcome.html

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Post  News Buzzard on Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:01 pm

Too many facts for this forum, Obervantone. Bush: negative 500 thousand jobs; Obama plus 9 million jobs; There is way to much truth in that graph to be accepted around here. The strategy is to blame Obama for all of Bush's shortcomings!!!

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9/11 occurred on Bush's Watch:

Post  News Hawk on Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:09 pm

Two million fewer overseas travelers visited the United States in 2007 than in 2000. The decline in overseas travel since 9/11 has cost America 46 million visitors, $140 billion in lost visitor spending and $23 billion in lost tax revenue. If the United States had simply kept pace with global travel trends, the U.S. economy would have created an additional 340,000 jobs in 2007 and the total U.S. unemployment rate would have dropped from 4.6 to 4.4 percent.

9/11  probably cost terrorists about $50,000—maybe less—as that's the average for all Middle East terrorist attacks, many of which had previously occurred on Clinton's so-called "watch".



Al Jazeera provided an interactive breakdown on how much 9/11 has cost  to the American economy in 10 years.

Outlined below; further down is the longer version with explanation details for each main and sub-category. It is stated that many of these categories are conservative calculations and that many categories are certain to rise in cost.

Note: $5 trillion dollars is equal to 5 million millions.

Counting the Cost:   $5,000,000,000,000   ($5 Trillion)

DEBT - $983 billion:
•Interest to Date.................$183 Billion
•Future Interest..................$800 Billion

MILITARY - $1.73 trillion:
•War in Iraq.........................$758 billion
•War in Afghanistan............$416 billion
•Pentagon Base Budget.....$425 billion
•State/USAID: ....................$67 billion
•Health Care........................$31 billion
•Operation Noble Eagle.....$29 billion

ECONOMY - $278 billion:
•Tourism .............................$163 billion
•NYC Economy...................$52 billion
•Insurance..........................$39 billion
•Property Damage.............$18 billion
•First Responders..............$5 billion
•Aviation.............................$1 billion

FUTURE MILITARY - $1.38 trillion:
•Disability............................$586 billion
•Future War Spending......$441 billion
•Future Health Care .........$348 billion

DOMESTIC - $540 billion:
•DHS Base Budget..........$311 billion
•Intelligence.....................$168 billion
•TSA..................................$57 billion
•State/Local.....................$3 billion
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-09-03/911-and-economy-counting-5-trillion-costs-america

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Post  Outerlimits on Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:16 am

News Buzzard wrote:Too many facts for this forum, Obervantone. Bush: negative 500 thousand jobs; Obama plus 9 million jobs; There is way to much truth in that graph to be accepted around here. The strategy is to blame Obama for all of Bush's shortcomings!!!


You have been forcefully promoting Obama and his policies since his handlers called Hillary a racist and won the nomination. You put your heart and soul into telling everyone how wonderful Obama is for years. You defend him unconditionally, often in the face of intense opposition and facts.

Then you find out the truth. (You were Grubered)

To admit that you were wrong in that situation would be nearly the same thing as admitting that you're an idiot, and that you weren't just duped (nobody's immune from being scammed), but you actively and passionately promoted the lies.

Who's going to do that?

No, it's much easier to keep on doing what you're doing, even though you know it's not right. It's a compromise of integrity to save face, nothing more, and it's done because you let yourself get too invested in the cause to ever turn on it.
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Post  WHL on Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:11 am

Outerlimits wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:Too many facts for this forum, Obervantone. Bush: negative 500 thousand jobs; Obama plus 9 million jobs; There is way to much truth in that graph to be accepted around here. The strategy is to blame Obama for all of Bush's shortcomings!!!


You have been forcefully promoting Obama and his policies since his handlers called Hillary a racist and won the nomination. You put your heart and soul into telling everyone how wonderful Obama is for years. You defend him unconditionally, often in the face of intense opposition and facts.

Then you find out the truth.  (You were Grubered)

To admit that you were wrong in that situation would be nearly the same thing as admitting that you're an idiot, and that you weren't just duped (nobody's immune from being scammed), but you actively and passionately promoted the lies.

Who's going to do that?

No, it's much easier to keep on doing what you're doing, even though you know it's not right. It's a compromise of integrity to save face, nothing more, and it's done because you let yourself get too invested in the cause to ever turn on it.

Outer, how ironic when he writes we blame Obama for all of Bush's mistakes. If we had a nickel for every time he said it's Bush's fault, we would never have to work again.

You are probably right, NB is in so deep no, he can't get out and save face. I have often wondered why he continues to support a loser.
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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:56 pm

Yeah right, Obama really screwed up. He only got 20 million people signed up for Obamacare, and he only got the unemployment rate down to 5.8%. What a dork!!  Rolling Eyes

Another thing, Outerlimits: Green Bay-26, New England-21 You can't even pick your football teams either!!!  cheers

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Post  Outerlimits on Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:31 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Yeah right, Obama really screwed up. He only got 20 million people signed up for Obamacare, and he only got the unemployment rate down to 5.8%. What a dork!!  Rolling Eyes

Another thing, Outerlimits: Green Bay-26, New England-21 You can't even pick your football teams either!!!  cheers


Only in Bizzaro World could anyone call Obamacare and the current economy successes. Laughing Laughing Laughing

I can’t wait to see which way you contort when Hillary starts ripping into Obama’s policies in her second unsuccessful nomination campaign.

Its’ only one non-conference game. The Superbowl will be Patriots/Seahawks.
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Post  News Buzzard on Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:48 pm

Outerlimits wrote:Its’ only one non-conference game.  The Superbowl will be Patriots/Seahawks.

That's hysterical! Laughing In your dreams for the Super Bowl. What's the matter? Did Obama kick sand in your face with his Immigration order? Very Happy His popularity with Hispanics is only up to 68%!  cheers

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Post  Outerlimits on Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:30 pm

Illegal immigrants could receive Social Security, Medicare under Obama action!

Under President Obama’s new program to protect millions of illegal immigrants from deportation, many of those affected will be eligible to receive Social Security, Medicare and a wide array of other federal benefits, a White House official said Tuesday.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/illegal-immigrants-could-receive-social-security-medicare-under-obama-action/2014/11/25/571caefe-74d4-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html?hpid=z5
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Post  News Buzzard on Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:51 pm

Anyone who pays FICA taxes should be eligible for the benefits. Isn't that how the system works?

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Post  News Hawk on Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:08 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Anyone who pays FICA taxes should be eligible for the benefits. Isn't that how the system works?
Until just recently, it worked for the defeated National-Socialists of Hitler's Germany. (Some living in foreign countries).

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Post  Outerlimits on Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:16 am

News Buzzard wrote:Anyone who pays FICA taxes should be eligible for the benefits. Isn't that how the system works?


Federal law says that people who pay the taxes and are deemed “lawfully present in the United States” can collect benefits under those programs when they become eligible.

They may also receive survivor and disability benefits.

If Obama’s illegals have children that are born in this country, they are getting food stamps, aid to dependent children, free healthcare and the earned income credit and extra child benefit from the IRS, among others.

From the article:

"But over the longer haul, he added, they are likely to draw more out of the system than they contribute — as is the case with nearly every Medicare recipient and with many Social Security recipients who worked low-paying jobs."


That does not exactly sound like a good thing for Medicare and Social Security.

Clearly the goal of the progressive is to secure a permanent dependent Democratic constituency for the foreseeable future. It is mighty big of you to approve the price.
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