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Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  obervantone on Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:27 pm

Because they fear Republicans will cut their funding if they do.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2015/01/14/why-the-cdc-still-isnt-researching-gun-violence-despite-the-ban-being-lifted-two-years-ago/

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  News Hawk on Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:08 am

Because the CDC would get an answer they don't want to hear about?

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  News Hawk on Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:12 pm

obervantone wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2015/01/14/why-the-cdc-still-isnt-researching-gun-violence-despite-the-ban-being-lifted-two-years-ago/

Because of "Mission-Creep"?

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  obervantone on Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:56 pm

news Hawk
Because the CDC would get an answer they don't want to hear about?
news Hawk
Because of "Mission-Creep"?

There is a much more pragmatic answer to that question:
The CDC had not touched firearm research since 1996 — when the NRA accused the agency of promoting gun control and Congress threatened to strip the agency’s funding

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Sovereignty?

Post  News Hawk on Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:20 pm

Obama is going to the United Nations to "fix" what Congress won't support.


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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  obervantone on Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:21 am

"news" hawk
Obama is going to the United Nations to "fix" what Congress won't support
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You mean the Arms Trade Treaty dealing with this approved by the U.N in April 2013?
This Treaty shall apply to all conventional arms within the following categories:
(a) Battle tanks;
(b) Armoured combat vehicles;
(c) Large-calibre artillery systems;
(d) Combat aircraft;
(e) Attack helicopters;
(f) Warships;
(g) Missiles and missile launchers; and
(h) Small arms and light weapons.
2. For the purposes of this Treaty, the activities of the international trade comprise export, import, transit, trans-shipment and brokering, hereafter referred to as “transfer”.
3. This Treaty shall not apply to the international movement of conventional arms by, or on behalf of, a State Party for its use provided that the conventional arms remain under that State Party’s ownership.
Gee, I wonder who controlled Congress in 1996...The names Gingrich and Dole come to mind...just can't put my finger on it.

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  News Hawk on Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:02 am

Government doesn't have the right to overturn rights guaranteed "We The People". Obama has a phone and a pen, and plans to use it against gun owners. (Which theoretically would have police the only people armed).

That’s because the U.N. Gun Ban Treaty would establish a permanent international gun control bureaucracy within the U.N. Office for Disarmament Affairs to oversee and influence gun policy in all nations.

It would also set the stage for an international gun registration system which in turn could pave the way for the eventual banning and confiscation of firearms. In fact, under the treaty’s guidelines, the United States government could be required, as a condition of importing firearms from other countries, to provide the exporting countries with the most sensitive, personal information of American gun owners.

“Gun owners and freedom-loving Americans need to remind their Senators that they work for us, NOT Barack Obama and NOT international gun ban zealots,” says Cox..."
http://townhall.com/postrelease.html?prx_t=SKcBAxDgCAT+8DA

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  obervantone on Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:57 pm

Interesting. There have been zero cases of Ebola in NH but you are all up in arms about that, calling for the U-S to prohibit flights from countries where Ebola is an issue...and yet...you defend THIS God given right:
From 2001 to 2010, 873 people were killed with guns in New Hampshire.
Somebody is killed with a gun in New Hampshire every three days: in 2010 alone, there were 118 gun deaths in the state.
873 deaths are okay...because they are protected by the constitution!

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  News Hawk on Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:34 pm

New Hampshire needs to ban all hunters from Massachusetts...

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  obervantone on Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:52 pm

"news" hawk
New Hampshire needs to ban all hunters from Massachusetts...
Nope, guess again.  This is from a NH F&G press release 11/9/11
counting today's tragic death, only five hunting-related fatalities have occurred in the state in the last 15 years
That leaves 868 gun deaths since 2001 in New Hampshire...we should really look into that...
Oh wait...that's right, the CDC can't study the nature of gun violence because of fears the Republicans will cut their funding...

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  Anti Federalist on Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:55 pm

obervantone wrote:
Oh wait...that's right, the CDC can't study the nature of gun violence because of fears the Republicans will cut their funding...

This is a bad thing?

Pffft, I wish they had the nuts to do this across the board to a whole slew of bureaucracies.
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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  obervantone on Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:16 pm

In the period 2001 to 2009, 1,457 New Hampshire deaths were caused by motor vehicles. 742 deaths were caused by firearms. Of the 742, only 11% were caused by homicides, accidents, and other actions. 659 of those firearm deaths were suicide fatalities.
No problem then, that's okay.

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  Anti Federalist on Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:49 pm

obervantone wrote:
In the period 2001 to 2009, 1,457 New Hampshire deaths were caused by motor vehicles. 742 deaths were caused by firearms. Of the 742, only 11% were caused by homicides, accidents, and other actions. 659 of those firearm deaths were suicide fatalities.
No problem then, that's okay.

No, it's far from OK, but it is what it is.

How is restricting my rights going to change that?

If someone is bent on suicide, they will find a way to do it.

And many of those ways are less traumatic and painful than a self inflicted gunshot wound.


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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  Anti Federalist on Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:02 pm

Wait, I have a solution:

Mandatory mental health exams and police "safety" searches of all homes on a bi-annual basis.

Non compliance with mental health "anti suicide" measures will result in involuntary committal and "re-education".

Sounds like freedom to me.
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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  obervantone on Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:46 am

AF:
obervantone wrote:
In the period 2001 to 2009, 1,457 New Hampshire deaths were caused by motor vehicles. 742 deaths were caused by firearms. Of the 742, only 11% were caused by homicides, accidents, and other actions. 659 of those firearm deaths were suicide fatalities
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No problem then, that's okay
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No, it's far from OK, but it is what it is.

How is restricting my rights going to change that?

If someone is bent on suicide, they will find a way to do it.

And many of those ways are less traumatic and painful than a self inflicted gunshot wound.
So the solution is to say..."it is what it is"...God forbid it actually be treated as a public health issue...after all it is  only 659 dead in New Hampshire...not nearly the number of deaths in NH from Ebola...oh wait...

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  News Hawk on Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:58 am

obervantone wrote:"...Oh wait...that's right, the CDC can't study the nature of gun violence because of fears the Republicans will cut their funding...

That's what happened in Canada with its long-ranging Registry. It was seen as a wasteful and clumsy bureaucracy, a $1-Billion dollar attempt at "gun control". The CBC—Canadian Broadcasting Company—figured it was $2-Billion.


“Our Conservative government has ended the wasteful and ineffective long-gun registry, which the CBC estimated to cost taxpayers $2 billion,” said Julie Carmichael, Toews’ communications director, in an emailed reply. “Ending the wasteful and ineffective long gun registry will save taxpayers millions of dollars each and every year.”
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/01/25/killing_longgun_registry_saves_only_2m_a_year_documents.html

The CDC should do what it claims to be its mission—and not treat gun ownership as a "disease".

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  WHL on Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:39 am

Yes, those who are violent are going to find a way, gun laws or not. Anti is right. Anti is also right, we need to cut a lot of bureaucracy spending. We would be much better off.
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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  Anti Federalist on Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:32 am

obervantone wrote:
AF:
obervantone wrote:
In the period 2001 to 2009, 1,457 New Hampshire deaths were caused by motor vehicles. 742 deaths were caused by firearms. Of the 742, only 11% were caused by homicides, accidents, and other actions. 659 of those firearm deaths were suicide fatalities
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No problem then, that's okay
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No, it's far from OK, but it is what it is.

How is restricting my rights going to change that?

If someone is bent on suicide, they will find a way to do it.

And many of those ways are less traumatic and painful than a self inflicted gunshot wound.
So the solution is to say..."it is what it is"...God forbid it actually be treated as a public health issue...after all it is  only 659 dead in New Hampshire...not nearly the number of deaths in NH from Ebola...oh wait...

No, I said it was far from OK.

But I asked how restricting my rights is any sort of solution when, for instance, Japan, a country where firearms are flat out prohibited, has a suicide rate almost twice that of the US?
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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  obervantone on Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:28 am

AF
No, I said it was far from OK.
But I asked how restricting my rights is any sort of solution when, for instance, Japan, a country where firearms are flat out prohibited, has a suicide rate almost twice that of the US?
Your very next line after "it's far from ok" was..."it is what it is"...
So tell me, if mental health should not be a consideration in the purchase or ownership of guns, then what is your solution? "It is what it is?"

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Government isn't the answer...

Post  News Hawk on Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:42 pm

Government isn't the answer; recently, after another of Obama's decrees, the purchasing of firearms increased to the point that the FBI deferred the "instant check" for a large proportion of those purchases. (The FBI is under a time limit, according to the "background check" law).

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  Anti Federalist on Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:28 am

obervantone wrote:
AF
No, I said it was far from OK.
But I asked how restricting my rights is any sort of solution when, for instance, Japan, a country where firearms are flat out prohibited, has a suicide rate almost twice that of the US?
Your very next line after "it's far from ok" was..."it is what it is"...
So tell me, if mental health should not be a consideration in the purchase or ownership of guns, then what is your solution?  "It is what it is?"

Oh, I see what you're driving at.

You want arbitrary "analysis" of a person's mental state prior to exercising a constitutionally protected right.

Sounds like a good idea.

Let me start with you before you exercise your right to free speech.

See, because I think people that want to restrict people's rights based on government psychiatric reports are dangerous lunatics.
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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  Anti Federalist on Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:36 am

News Hawk wrote:Government isn't the answer; recently, after another of Obama's decrees, the purchasing of firearms increased to the point that the FBI deferred the "instant check" for a large proportion of those purchases.  (The FBI is under a time limit, according to the "background check" law).

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  News Hawk on Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:21 am

When war broke out in Europe, isolated Britain received many thousands of firearms from Americans sympathetic to those suffering under the onslaught of National Socialism. After the war, Britain's newly-ascendant Labor Party (Socialist)  got Winston Churchill tossed out of office, and thanked the US by collecting them and throwing them all into the Irish Sea.

More on "Guns for Britain":
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=897&dat=19411016&id=2jpPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Bk8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4944,6114041

My Grandfather donated about a dozen suitable handguns from Melvin Village, which were re-chambered for Britain's weaker 380"-caliber cartridge, and marked "proof-tested".

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Re: Why hasn't the CDC studied Gun Violence as a public health issue?

Post  obervantone on Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:31 pm

AF
You want arbitrary "analysis" of a person's mental state prior to exercising a constitutionally protected right.

Sounds like a good idea.

Let me start with you before you exercise your right to free speech.

See, because I think people that want to restrict people's rights based on government psychiatric reports are dangerous lunatics.
Actually I asked what YOUR solution is:
if mental health should not be a consideration in the purchase or ownership of guns, then what is your solution?

So far instead of outlining a solution, this is all you have posted
"It is what it is"
Like most conservatives, all we hear from you is don't...don't...don't...and no...no...no...good at complaining but short on constructive solutions to a problem...but God forbid the issue be studied by the CDC or anyone else.

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