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Post  News Buzzard on Tue May 19, 2015 9:57 am

The United States is one of the wealthiest and lowest taxed countries in the world. What part of that don't you understand??

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Post  red_hill on Tue May 19, 2015 10:03 am

NB, There are only so many "rich" people from whom to get your magic money from. The rich people are paying taxes, a lot of taxes in most cases. The real problem is the vast amount of people who not only do not pay any taxes, but instead receive a tax "credit" for barely trying to work. I would be glad to pay a little more if others paid something, and my little more helped pay down our debt.

Please don't even mention the "payroll tax" as a tax on income- it funds SS and Medicare (along with the other 7.65% that the employer pays)

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Post  News Hawk on Tue May 19, 2015 10:58 am

News Buzzard wrote:Do you know how to say Third World Country?? No

"This is Obama Country"?

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Re: Amtrak Disaster

Post  News Buzzard on Tue May 19, 2015 4:02 pm

I'm not buying any of this baloney that we are taking enough taxes from the rich when a guy who ran for president paid a 13% tax rate on $20 million. The top tax rate is 39.5%, not 13%. We're also not taking in anywhere near enough in payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare. I lose the argument because the House will be horribly intransigent for many election cycles to come, and I only expect that to change when the deep South stops getting $1.25 back from Washington for every dollar they send in. Then you'll start seeing Democrats start winning elections in the South again. Meanwhile it has been estimated that the country needs $3 trillion to upgrade all of our infrastructure, but things will crumble before we see any of that happen. It's really a shame that the greatest country on earth is careening toward third world status, thanks to the Tea Party! No

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Infrastucture Can Wait...

Post  News Hawk on Wed May 20, 2015 7:41 am

News Buzzard wrote:Meanwhile it has been estimated that the country needs $3 trillion to upgrade all of our infrastructure, but things will crumble before we see any of that happen.

Obumbles said yesterday the greatest danger to our future was Global Warming!

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Re: Amtrak Disaster

Post  Outerlimits on Wed May 20, 2015 11:52 am

News Buzzard wrote:I'm not buying any of this baloney that we are taking enough taxes from the rich when a guy who ran for president paid a 13% tax rate on $20 million. The top tax rate is 39.5%, not 13%. We're also not taking in anywhere near enough in payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare. I lose the argument because the House will be horribly intransigent for many election cycles to come, and I only expect that to change when the deep South stops getting $1.25 back from Washington for every dollar they send in. Then you'll start seeing Democrats start winning elections in the South again. Meanwhile it has been estimated that the country needs $3 trillion to upgrade all of our infrastructure, but things will crumble before we see any of that happen. It's really a shame that the greatest country on earth is careening toward third world status, thanks to the Tea Party! No


Your views on spending, taxes and a larger Federal Government is part of a fundamental transformation narrative being pushed by progressives.

The Amtrak tragedy is a perfect example of the left pushing a false narrative (the accident could have been prevented if we had spent more money).  The accident occurred because of human error and that is something that will always be a factor.  France has these safety systems yet, they had very similar accidents recently. The cause…human error.

Progressives are willing to trade liberty and freedom for programs that promise the Federal Government will take care of all their needs. They seem to have forgotten that freedom, hard work and personal accountably were the driving forces behind what made this country great.  This country was not founded on a permanent ruling class that would redistribute wealth to maintain power and promote social change.

Today the Federal Government subsidizes idleness, making nonproductively acceptable and increasing dependence. The mainstream media hails widespread helplessness and promotes expanding big government and higher taxes to treat the problem.  We know taking money from the productive in society and giving it to incompetent politicians never solves problems.

As businesses are taxed and regulated more and more, there are fewer opportunities to expand businesses. The marginal workers find it harder and harder to find jobs, so they resort to idleness and a welfare check.

For some, getting money to do nothing is preferable than having to sweat for it and more and more people will fall into the welfare trap, guaranteeing democratic politicians power. Income inequality has been on the rise since the early 70s. And what has increased right along with it?

The liberal’s welfare state.
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Re: Amtrak Disaster

Post  News Buzzard on Wed May 20, 2015 12:49 pm

Blah Blah Blah Blah! It's no coincidence that the Senate is trying to push out the installation of the speed safety controls on Amtrak for another 5 years. They know they haven't provided nearly enough funding. It's funny how you hold dear the lives of the 4 people who died in Benghazi, but you don't really give a crap about the 8 people who died on that train, including a kid from the Naval Academy and a corporation CEO. I guess their lives are expendable, to keep us one of the lowest taxed countries in the world!! No

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The Four Killed at Benghazi Died of Mal-Feasance...

Post  News Hawk on Wed May 20, 2015 3:43 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Blah Blah Blah Blah! It's no coincidence that the Senate is trying to push out the installation of the speed safety controls on Amtrak for another 5 years. They know they haven't provided nearly enough funding. It's funny how you hold dear the lives of the 4 people who died in Benghazi, but you don't really give a crap about the 8 people who died on that train, including a kid from the Naval Academy and a corporation CEO. I guess their lives are expendable, to keep us one of the lowest taxed countries in the world!! No

Some countries depend on the US for their national security—some even have no military at all.

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Re: Amtrak Disaster

Post  Outerlimits on Wed May 20, 2015 3:52 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Blah Blah Blah Blah! It's no coincidence that the Senate is trying to push out the installation of the speed safety controls on Amtrak for another 5 years. They know they haven't provided nearly enough funding. It's funny how you hold dear the lives of the 4 people who died in Benghazi, but you don't really give a crap about the 8 people who died on that train, including a kid from the Naval Academy and a corporation CEO. I guess their lives are expendable, to keep us one of the lowest taxed countries in the world!! No


A conductor driving more than twice the speed limit into a curve has nothing to do with a perceived lack of infrastructure spending. This is the left "never letting a tragedy go to waste" to push for more spending. Their belief is that any problem can be solved if only more money is thrown at it.


“Democrats started this yesterday. It’s about funding. It’s all about funding. Well obviously it’s not about funding. The train was going twice the speed limit. Adequate funds were there. No money's been cut from rail safety.”
J. Boehner.

I despise Boehner as a corrupt, self-serving politician, selling out the country and ignoring the wishes of Republican voters, but he got this one right.

Responsibility for this wreck has nothing to do with infrastructure, compliance with arbitrary government regulations, lack of safety precautions, or anything other than the failure of the engineer to do his job.   Maybe we should pay the engineer more so he will feel more empowered to slow down!!!

Democrats looking to score political points off tragic deaths are despicable. It comes as no surprise that the amoral left including unions are all clamoring for more tax payer dollars.

Amtrak is a prime example of how government runs a business. Run properly it would be producing adequate revenue to pay for its needs, without government (taxpayer provided) funding. Privatize it and all or parts of it that are economical feasible will survive and grow and those which are not will cease to exist, as should happen in a rational world.

One more thing...

If it was not the engineer’s fault (which is not out of the realm of possibility) the only other possible culprit is the ACS-64.

What is the ACS-64 you ask?

Why it is the brand spanking new Amtrak commuter train engine involved in this tragedy and it was part of the Obama Stimulus Package. Congress spent 500 million tax payer dollars on these all electric “green” computer controlled state of the art commuter trains.

It seems the liberals make their prognostications from candy wrapper pictures because they don't actually read anything.
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Post  News Buzzard on Wed May 20, 2015 4:45 pm

HaHaHaHa!! Legislation was signed in 2008 (Guess who?) to get the speed control installed throughout the entire system by the end of 2015. Those eight people would be alive today if the Republicans weren't peeling funding away from Amtrak!!

In the meantime, the Republicans didn't have any problem adding almost $300 billion to the national debt with their repeal of the Estate Tax!! Guess who the Republicans work for, and how long do you think that will last??

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Post  News Hawk on Wed May 20, 2015 7:56 pm

All the safeguards put into aircraft travel didn't save all the passengers of Malaysian Air Flight 370, nor all the German Wings passengers. This sexually-deviant train engineer can't be eliminated from those trying for "Copy-Cat" murders as a legacy for their worthless selves.

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Re: Amtrak Disaster

Post  News Buzzard on Wed May 20, 2015 7:58 pm

What does that have to do with the Amtrak accident?

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"Czar" Cass Sunstein..."Cost Outweighed Benefits..."

Post  News Hawk on Wed May 20, 2015 8:28 pm


Obama official once said train-safety cost outweighed benefit

When a Republican lawmaker in 2011 asked an Obama administration Office of Management and Budget official to name regulations where costs were not justified by benefits, the official had a ready answer.

"There is only one big one that comes to mind," said Cass Sunstein, then administrator of the White House OMB's Office of Information & Regulatory Affairs. "It is called Positive Train Control.''
(Excerpt) Read more at ctpost.com

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Post  News Buzzard on Wed May 20, 2015 8:50 pm

What value would you place on 8 lives?

Who signed the legislation in 2008 to get this equipment in place by the end of this year?

The default position: It's always Obama's fault!!! elephant

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Re: Amtrak Disaster

Post  News Hawk on Thu May 21, 2015 7:13 am

Obumbles has a phone and a pen—and did nothing.

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Post  News Buzzard on Thu May 21, 2015 7:22 am

That's right. It's always Obama's fault!!! Rolling Eyes

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Re: Amtrak Disaster

Post  News Hawk on Fri May 22, 2015 8:09 am

News Buzzard wrote:That's right. It's always Obama's fault!!! Rolling Eyes



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Re: Amtrak Disaster

Post  News Hawk on Sat May 23, 2015 6:18 am

red_hill wrote:I did not blame Obama, I am asking what the path is. I did not say broke, I said 18T in debt.
We spent 5.6 Trillion on the war on poverty, and where did that get us?

Eighteen Trillion of anything is an impossible number to visualize without the aid of graphics.

We, as a nation, are headed for a CRA-like crash, which "nobody saw coming", and wiped out the capital of the middle class. Obama sued for the CRA in his only appearance as a lawyer. Who was paying Obama at that time is anybody's guess.

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