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Post  News Hawk on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:26 am

"Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned. State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter.

"The state’s Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits. Russell Tsarnaev’s attorney has claimed Katherine — who had converted to Islam — was working up to 80 hours per week...."
—Boston Herald

Were the pressure cookers bought with an EBT card?

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Post  WHL on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:29 am

Figures.
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Post  Outerlimits on Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:03 pm

I don't have a problem with people who qualify for and need benefits receiving those benefits. What I have a problem is our government spending our money with out doing their do diligence. This family of parasites came here, took government assistance for more than a decade, and yet they hate this country enough to kill innocent people and maim hundreds of taxpayers.

We (the taxpayers) probably, literally paid for the bombs.

This is the perfect case study of the rampant the abuse of welfare benefits and how it is counter productive to society. How can a 26 year old able body man receive tax dollars? What did he do with his free time and money? He became a semi-pro boxer, got married, built bombs, purchased guns (illegally), smoked pot, gets arrested for assaulting his girlfriend (not his wife), and took a “vacation” in Russia for 6 months.

Why do we allow this?

Its the lefts way, let them in with out back ground checks and then give them money,medical care, and shelter. How else would they get votes?


The bottom line is, we need to completely overhaul social entitlements and probably kick out 9 out of 10 people off the program and their redundant counterparts and 'force responsibility' instead of forcing workers to pay for the dregs of society and their criminally inherent nature and societal decay.

What really sticks in my craw is that the remaining living family (and the living bomber) will continue to receive benefits, social hand outs.
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Post  obervantone on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:37 pm

From what I understand the family came to the US around 2003 and the state says they qualified for benefits because they were granted asylum and they had low income levels. The governor at the time? Mitt Romney.

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Post  WHL on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:44 pm

Who cares who the governor was? It's disgusting! My word for the day. Very Happy
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Post  obervantone on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:41 pm

Just pointing out that a "Leftie" wasn't in charge after Outerlimit's assumption:
Its the lefts way, let them in with out back ground checks and then give them money,medical care, and shelter. How else would they get votes?
And who was in the White House granting asylum? You know the answer but it's okay, attack the Left silent

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Post  News Hawk on Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:03 pm

The fault lies with Ted Kennedy's Immigration Reform Act of 1965.

As Thomas Sowell would say, "It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time":

"In practice the law has worked quite differently from the ways in which any of its sponsors expected.

"Looking backward and expecting the future to resemble the past, they ignored the evidence of data available to them. As Table 1 shows, growing numbers of Latin Americans and Asians had been coming to the United States since World War II, and once such persons had permanent resident status, a whole cohort of relatives became eligible to enter the country as second preference immigrants.

"And as soon as these immigrants became U.S. citizens, as unprecedented numbers of them did in the minimum five-year waiting period, more persons became eligible as first, fourth, and fifth preference immigrants, while others could enter exempt from numerical preference.


"After the 1965 act went into effect, this kind of chain migration, in which related immigrants follow one another as links in a chain, accounted for a preponderance of all nonrefugee migration.
http://www.answers.com/topic/immigration-act-of-1965#ixzz2RQbWN2SE

"Asians" also means Southwest Asia—Pakistan, and the Middle East...The British refer to their Muslim exploding population as "Asians".

...and the discussion above is about the legal ones!

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Post  obervantone on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:35 pm

News Hawk:
The fault lies with Ted Kennedy's Immigration Reform Act of 1965.

I believe you are referring to the Hart-Celler Act of 1965.


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Post  WHL on Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:00 am

I think we need to rethink this whole immigration thing. I think Marco Rubio has hurt himself badly with Republicans with this issue. Too bad he got involved in it.
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Post  fshnski on Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:16 am

[quote="obervantone"]Just pointing out that a "Leftie" wasn't in charge:

Its the lefts way, let them in with out back ground checks and then give them money,medical care, and shelter. How else would they get votes?

I think you're both right.

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Post  News Hawk on Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:26 am

obervantone wrote:
News Hawk:
The fault lies with Ted Kennedy's Immigration Reform Act of 1965.

I believe you are referring to the Hart-Celler Act of 1965.

Ted Kennedy, in fact, all the Kennedys were in favor of those provisions...and left me remind you that that the Kennedys are from Massachusetts, and it was Boston that's been instrumental in 9/11 and these recent bombs.

Obama's "investments" with our money would be better spent buying-up all pressure cookers. Cool

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Post  Outerlimits on Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:38 am

obervantone wrote:From what I understand the family came to the US around 2003 and the state says they qualified for benefits because they were granted asylum and they had low income levels. The governor at the time? Mitt Romney.

Yes Romney was the govergnor of Massachusetts at the time, but if you are trying to say Romney was somehow responsible for this, I doubt you would make much headway.

The left consistently and persistently defends welfare deadbeats as a cost of doing business. With the zeal of the left to legalize illegal immigrants and make immigration easier, one has to believe that a specific and cherished goal of the left is to destroy the US. Why would anyone in their right mind want a large number of uneducated, unskilled people in the country who do not even speak the language? What will happen? More downward pressure on wages and larger government expenditures for entitlements.

70,000 students from Muslim countries and territories entered this country through student visas last fall. 55,000 showed up for class. Where did they go? Unfortunately this happens every year.


If one wants to assign fault to anyone other than the bombers themselves...

Maybe the warning from the Russian government to the FBI and the CIA would be a good place to start.
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Post  obervantone on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:43 am

OL:
If one wants to assign fault to anyone other than the bombers themselves...

Maybe the warning from the Russian government to the FBI and the CIA would be a good place to start.
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That is a good starting place although from what I have read and learned so far the older brother did not have any ties to terrorist groups so there is only so much that either agency can do. My question is if the Russians suspected him of involvement in a Chechnian (sp) group, he was in their country for 6 months, why did they let him go? Regarding lack of communication between agencies in this case even Sen. Saxby Chambliss says he doesn't think there was anything uncovered that could have prevented this bombing.
The left consistently and persistently defends welfare deadbeats as a cost of doing business.
However you give those on the right, who were in charge at the time of the family's arrival in the US, a free pass and immediately blame the left.
As I pointed out to News Hawk. Deportation of illegals under Obama is twice what it was under Bush and the number of illegals now entering this country is the lowest that it has been in decades. Time to reassess. Regarding welfare, if you do away with it what do you think will happen? The poor will just go away?
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Ted Kennedy, in fact, all the Kennedys were in favor of those provisions...and left me remind you that that the Kennedys are from Massachusetts, and it was Boston that's been instrumental in 9/11 and these recent bombs
Now there is a well reasoned hypothesis.

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Post  News Hawk on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:02 pm

obervantone wrote:And who was in the White House granting asylum? You know the answer but it's okay, attack the Left silent
Who was in the White House when Fort Sumter was attacked?

Who was in the White House when the USS Maine exploded?

Who was in the White House when Pearl Harbor was attacked?

Who was in the White House when 9/11 was attacked?

Who was in the White House when the USS Cole was attacked?

Who was in the White House when asylum was granted?

We elect a President—an executornot a dictator.

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Post  News Hawk on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:22 pm

Outerlimits wrote:Maybe the warning from the Russian government to the FBI and the CIA would be a good place to start.

"U.S. authorities put alleged Boston bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev on two separate watch lists in 2011 after Russian security agencies twice reached out to their American counterparts, raising new questions about missed opportunities to prevent the attack.

"Russian officials contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation in March 2011, then reached out to the Central Intelligence Agency in September of that year, citing concerns Mr. Tsarnaev might have been associating with extremists, according to U.S. officials.The FBI has said it interviewed Mr. Tsarnaev and conducted a threat assessment, but found nothing "derogatory" that could prompt further investigation."
—wsj

Anyone remember why this part is in red?

then reached out to the Central Intelligence Agency in September of that year.

Is this because the FBI and CIA are no longer allowed to speak with one another—since the Clinton* years?

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Post  News Hawk on Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:02 pm

Was the device ignited using an Obamaphone?

Were the explosives bought in New Hampshire using an EBT card?

Suspect

From the article:

The administration was slammed by a Democratic congressman who insisted the public has a right to know how taxpayers were underwriting the accused jihadist Tsarnaevs.

“It’s certainly relevant information that should be made public,” U.S. Rep. Stephen F. Lynch told the Herald. “There’s a national security interest No. 1. Secondly, there’s also a public interest in finding out whether these individuals were able to exploit the system and get benefits they weren’t entitled to.”

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev lies hospitalized and facing capital charges that include using a weapon of mass destruction that killed three people and injured 260 near the Boston Marathon finish line.

Taxpayers — already on the hook for Tsarnaev’s court-appointed attorneys in the terror plot — continue to pay his mounting medical bills at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.

The public also paid for Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s attorney when the Russian national successfully fought criminal charges in 2009 that he battered a former girlfriend. (While married).

He'd have made a good Wall-Street Occupier.

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Post  WHL on Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:09 am

Most likely, NH!
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Post  obervantone on Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:28 pm

From WCVB
a letter from the interim commissioner of the state Department of Transitional Assistance, Stacey Monahan, was released to the news media along with an explanation from her that she now believed "the public interest outweighs the privacy interests of Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in this instance."

Neither of the Tsarnaev brothers ever was a direct recipient of welfare benefits, she wrote to state Rep. David Linsky, chairman of the House Post Audit and Oversight Committee, in response to the panel's request for records of public assistance received by the suspects or their family.

The brothers had, however, received benefits through their parents, and Tamerlan also received benefits from September 2011 to November 2012 through his wife, according to the letter dated Thursday.

According to the letter, the suspects' parents, Anzor and Zubeidat Tsarnaev, received Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits, formerly known as food stamps, from 2002 to 2004, and again from August 2009 to December 2011. Anzor Tsarnaev also received cash welfare benefits for three months in 2003, and from August 2009 to June 2010.

The parents were eligible for benefits because they were legal, non-citizen residents who were granted asylum status, Monahan wrote. The brothers, she said, were also residing legally in the country.


Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/state-releases-new-details-about-welfare-benefits-for-family-of-bombing-suspects/-/11971628/19911318/-/r3kbksz/-/index.html#ixzz2RbwoNOkn

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Post  fshnski on Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:38 pm

They were really nice and deserving people after all.




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Post  obervantone on Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:36 pm

Just pointing out the reality of the situation vs some on this board that jump to conclusions, post what they hope is true as fact then continue to believe what they made up to begin with only to be disappointed and defensive when their fabrications are exposed.

The truth of this terror incident is evil enough, it really does not need to be embellished.


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Post  News Hawk on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:55 pm

fshnski wrote:They were really nice and deserving people after all.

To whit:

"As the Herald reported earlier this week, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev received benefits as children, when their parents, Anzor and Zubeidat Tsarnaev, were beneficiaries.

“The Tsarnaev parents were eligible to receive benefits as legal, non-citizen residents who were granted asylum status and met the basic eligibility criteria for DTA, including household income levels, presence of dependent children and other factors,” said the letter from DTA interim commissioner Stacey Monahan to David Linsky, Chairman of the House Post Audit and Oversight Committee. Linksy yesterday had given welfare officials 24 hours to provide the information.

The Tsarnaev parents received food stamps, which are federally funded, from October 2002 to November 2004, and then from August 2009 to December 2011, the letter said.

Anzor Tsarnaev also received money through the Transitional Aid to Families with Dependent Children program, a state and federally funded program which provides cash assistance to families with children and pregnant women, from January 2003 to March 2003, and again from August 2009 to June 2010.

Tamerlan’s wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, received food stamps and TAFD aid from September 2011 to November 2012.

“My office is working to fully comply with your request,” Monahan said, describing today’s letter as a summary released “given the great interest in this matter.”.

The bombers were enabled—first—by "Immigration Reform", then again as recently as last year.

Years and years of aiding and abetting Terror!

Just how should taxpayers feel about now?

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Post  WHL on Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:31 am

Well, if it's ok for the NYTimes and CNN to post incorrect information, then I guess we can here. After all, who cares, just a few of us read this board.
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Post  fshnski on Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:11 am

obervantone wrote:Just pointing out the reality of the situation vs some on this board that jump to conclusions, post what they hope is true as fact then continue to believe what they made up to begin with only to be disappointed and defensive when their fabrications are exposed.

You must have had cramps in your fingers after writing this sentence. Laughing

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Post  WHL on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:41 am

Not to pick on you ob, but that was pretty funny. Razz
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