Mother speaks

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This is what we have in this country. I think it is time for them to leave.

She isn't in the U-S.

obervantone wrote:She isn't in the U-S.

Unfortunately, her offspring were here on April 15th. She will not be coming back to the U.S. any time soon.

Mom was charged with two counts of malicious/wanton damage and defacement to property after allegedly stealing $1600 in merchandise from a Lord & Taylor in Natick, MA back in June 2012.

Although this would be a deportable offense if convicted, Mom was not deported because she failed to show up in court. An outstanding warrant would be a good enough reason to scamper off to Dagestan. We may never know the entire psychology behind this particular mother/son relationship, but if some of the things that are coming to light are true, as far as her own type of radicalization and her 9/11 conspiracy theories, it’s not much of a stretch to believe she held some kind of sway over her impressionable sons as mothers very often do.

If this is the case, she has herself is partially to blame for a son that will rot in prison and one that is on a cold slab in the morgue.


Kind of ironic that she was caught shoplifting from Lord & Taylor and it was Lord & Taylor's (different store) cameras that identified her sons.

What I meant was that we have these kind of people in this country. I am beginning to think the Muslim religion is a very nasty religion and if they hate us so much, they should not be allowed to be here. I tried to believe that maybe it was only a few Muslims that are so evil but the more I hear about this religion, the more I think it is much more than only a few.

Hi friend, Outer! Nice to see you!

obervantone wrote:She isn't in the U-S.

I suggest she speak with Auntie Zeituni's three taxpayer-funded lawyers...I'll bet she can return to the court on that shoplifting charge—and get a proper hearing.

First offense—case dismissed.

I am beginning to think the Muslim religion is a very nasty religion and if they hate us so much, they should not be allowed to be here.

I am reminded of the "Irish Problem" the British had in Northern Ireland. So are all Catholics full of hate and radical killers?

obervantone wrote:

I am beginning to think the Muslim religion is a very nasty religion and if they hate us so much, they should not be allowed to be here.

I am reminded of the "Irish Problem" the British had in Northern Ireland. So are all Catholics full of hate and radical killers?

That pales to the 1-Billion Muslims—outside of the US—responsible for mayhem here in the US:

1. 5/20/2009: 4 black Muslim males arrested in connection with a plot to shoot down military airplanes flying out of Stewart Air National Guard base in Newburgh, NY, and blow up 2 synagogues in the Riverdale community of the Bronx, NY.

2. 6/01/2009: Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, an American Muslim opened fire on a U.S. military recruiting office in Little Rock, AR. Private William Long was killed and Private Quinton Ezeagwula was wounded.

. 3. SEP 2009: New York Subway and United Kingdom Plot - Najibullah Zazi of Denver, CO, was indicted on charges of trying to build and detonate a weapon of mass destruction by purchasing hydrogen peroxide, acetone and other chemicals. He and 2 others allegedly planned to detonate the homemade explosives on the NYC subway system.

4. 9/24/2009: William Boyd and Hysen Sherifi were charged with "conducting reconnaissance of the USMC base at Quantico, VA, and obtaining armor-piercing ammunition with the intent to attack Americans". Boyd, 2 of his sons and several other suspects had been charged on international terrorism charges in AUG, but at the time there was no indication that they wanted to plot a U.S. attack. An audio tape of Boyd decrying the U.S. military, discussing the honor of martyrdom, and bemoaning the struggle of Muslims was played at a AUG hearing. It is the 1st case of a ring of homegrown terrorists having specific targets.

5. 9/24/2009: Michael Finton/Talib Islam, a 29 year old man from IL, was charged with trying to kill federal employees by detonating a car bomb at the federal building in Springfield, L. He was said to idolize American-born Taliban soldier John Walker Lindh.

6. 9/24/2009: Hosam Maher Husein Smadi, a citizen of Jordan, was arrested on suspicion of planning a terrorist bombing of Fountain Place, a downtown 60 story skyscraper in Dallas, TX.

7. OCT 2009: American citizen Colleen Renee LaRose, also known as Jihad Jane and Fatima LaRose, was arrested in the Philadelphia suburb of Pennsburg and charged with terrorism-related crimes, including conspiracy to commit murder and providing material support to terrorists.

8. 11/05/2009: U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan shot and killed 13 and wounded 29 U.S. Army servicemen (+1 civilian) at Ft. Hood near Killeen, TX. The Obama administration refused to call the mass shooting a (Islamist) terrorist act, and instead labeled it a “workplace violence” event.

9. 11/17/2009: 11 Muslims board AirTran Flight 297 from Atlanta to Houston. They behaved in a manner which can be only described as “dry run hijacking”, perhaps to test the TSA/ Homeland Security. After removal from the flight by TSA agents, they were subsequently allowed to re-board. Air crew and passengers refused to fly. The flight was cancelled.

10. 12/05/2009: 46 yo Saudi citizen and Binghamton University (SUNY) graduate student, Abdulsalam S. al-Zahrani, stabbed to death 77 year-oldo professor emeritus Richard T. Antoun on campus in Binghamton, NY.

11. 12/25/2009: 23 year-old Nigerian, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, detonated an incindenary device on board Northwest Airlines Flight 253, carrying 278 passengers and 11 crew members from Amsterdam, as it prepared to land in Detroit just before noon. Mutallah was badly burned on the legs, but was subdued by fellow passengers. 2 passengers were injured in the incident. Mutallab claimed to be acting on orders from al-Qaida to blow up an airliner over American soil.

12. 1/07/2010: Adis Medunjanin, an alleged 2009 NYC Subway plotter, attempts a suicide attack by intentionally crashing his car on the Whitestone Bridge in NYC.

13. 1/08/2010: 25 year-old Bosnian Muslim immigrant Adis Medunjanin and 24 year-old U.S. Muslim citizen Zasrein Ahmedzay were arrested by the F.B.I. in Queens, NY, in connection with a failed bombing plot last 9/11/09 in NYC led by 24 year-old Najibullah Zazi, a Colorado airport driver who was arrested in 2009.

14. 2/18/ 2010: 5 Muslim U.S. Army soldiers, “the Fort Jackson five”, were arrested at Fort Jackson in Columbia, SC, just before Christmas 2009. They stand accused of attempting to poison the Army food supply at Fort Jackson. The 5 Muslim soldiers worked as Arabic translators for the U.S. Army.

15. 4/07/2010: A diplomat from Qatar, Mohammed al Modadi, was subdued by federal air marshals after he attempted to "light his shoes on fire" on United flight 663, a Boeing 757, from Washington Reagan to Denver. The presence of explosives has not yet been confirmed, though authorities believe it was an attempted "shoe bomb." Two jet fighters were scrambled from Buckley Air Force Base to accompany United flight 663 as it flew the final 40 miles to Denver where it landed safely.

16. 5/01/2010: 30-year old naturalized American (Pakistani descent) Faisal Shahzad parked an SUV rigged with explosives in Times Square/ Manhattan/NYC/NY. It failed to detonate. Shahzad was captured on 5/04/2010, on board a United Emirates flight at JFK Airport bound for Dubai.

17. May 2010: Paul Rockwood Jr. a meteorologist who took official weather observations and his pregnant wife Nancy from King Salmon, Alaska, compiled a list of 20 targets, including members of the military and media and had moved to the operational phase of their plan plead, guilty to lying to FBI about the list and making false statements to the FBI. Under a plea agreement Mr. Rockwood will serve 8 years in prison and 3 years probation while Ms. Rockwood will serve probation. Motive was revenge for alleged desecration of Islam.

18. 7/08/2010: 3 suspected al-Qaida members were arrested for what Norwegian and U.S. officials said was a terrorist plot linked to similar plans to bomb New York's subway and blow up a shopping mall in England. The 3 men, whose names were not released, had been under surveillance for more than a year. Two were arrested in Norway. A 3rd was captured in Germany, where he was vacationing. Officials would not say what country or site was the target of the latest terror threat, or even whether they believed the men had selected a target. Those arrested in Norway included a 39-year-old Norwegian of Uighur origin who has lived in the country since 1999 and a 31-year-old citizen of Uzbekistan who had a permanent Norwegian residency permit. The man arrested in Germany is a 37-year-old Iraqi with a Norwegian residency permit. All 3 men "had connections to Oslo." Norwegian and U.S. officials believe the Norway plan was organized by Salah al-Somali, al-Qaida's former chief of external operations who is in charge of plotting attacks worldwide.

19. July 2010: Zachary Adam Chesser (also known as Abu Talhah al-Amrikee) was arrested for aiding the terrorist organization Al-Shabaab. In APR 2010, under the online username Abu Talhah al-Amrikee, he posted a "warning" to the creators of “South Park” suggesting that they would be killed for depicting Muhammad in their 200th episode.

20. 9/20/2010: Sami Samir Hassoun, 22, a Lebanese citizen living in Chicago, was charged with 1 count each of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and attempted use of an explosive device after placing a backpack with what he thought was a bomb near Wrigley Field.

21. 10/27/2010: Farooque Ahmed, 34, a naturalized U.S. citizen, was indicted for conspiracy to bomb 4 Washington Metro stations with people he thought were al-Qaeda.

22. 11/26/2010: Mohamed Osman Mohamud, a Somali-American student, was arrested in an FBI sting operation after attempting to set off what he thought was a car bomb at a Christmas tree lighting in Portland, OR.

23. 12/08/2010: Antonio Martinez, also known as Muhammad Hussain. was arrested after a sting operation in an alleged plot to bomb a military recruiting center in Catonsville, MD. The 21 year old suspect is an American who converted to Islam. The suspect was reported to be upset that the military continues to kill Muslims.

24. 2/24/2011: Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari a 20 year old Saudi Arabian student, was arrested for building bombs to use in alleged terrorist attacks. Targets allegedly were home of George W. Bush, hydroelectric dams, nuclear power plants, nightclubs and the homes of soldiers who were formerly stationed at the Abu Ghraib prison. In Aldawsari's journal he wrote he was inspired by the speeches of Osama Bin Ladin. Alleged plot uncovered when supplier noticed suspicious purchases.

25. 5/11/2011: 2011 Manhattan terrorism plot. 2 Muslim Arab-Americans, Ahmed Ferhani and 20-year-old Mohamed Mamdouh, were arrested for a plot to bomb various targets in Manhattan, NY.

26. 5/11/2011: Ahmed Ferhani, a resident of Queens, NY and native of Algeria, and Mohamed Mamdouh aged 20 also from Queens and a Moroccan native, were arrested in a lone wolf plot against a NY Synagogue that had yet to be chosen. It also alleged that they hoped to attack the Empire State Building. The pair were arrested after buying 2 Browning semi-automatic pistols, 1 Smith & Wesson revolver, ammunition and 1 grenade. The pair disguised themselves as Jewish temple goers and pretended to pray. The suspects were said to be "committed to violent jihad".

27. 6/23/2011: Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif and Walli Mujahidh were arrested on charges of buying machine guns and grenades and conspiring to attack a federal building housing a Military Entrance Processing Station in Seattle, WA.

28. 7/27/2011: AWOL U.S. Army Private, and conscientious objector, Naser Jason Abdo from Garland, TX, was arrested in an alleged plot against Fort Hood, TX. Materials for up to 2 bombs were found with jihadist materials in Abdo's motel room. Investigation began when owner of a local gun store called police after becoming suspicious when Abdo asked questions indicating he did not know about the items he was purchasing.

29. 9/28/2011: Rezwan Ferdaus, a U.S. citizen of Bangladeshi descent was arrested by the FBI for allegedly plotting to attack the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol Building with remote-controlled model aircraft packed with C-4 explosives. He was also charged with supporting Al-Qaeda by plotting attacks on American soldiers abroad and making detonators for improvised explosive devices.

30. 1/07/2012: Sami Osmakac, 25, a naturalized American Muslim citizen born in Kosovo was arrested after he allegedly bought explosive devices and firearms from an undercover agent. The firearms and explosives were disabled by law enforcement before the sale. He was charged with plotting to attack crowded locations around Tampa, including nightclubs and a sheriff's office, with a car bomb, assault rifle and other explosives. He recorded an 8-minute video shortly before his arrest explaining why he wanted to bring terror to his "victims' hearts" in the Tampa Bay area. In the video, Osmakac is seen cross-legged on the floor with a pistol in his hand and an AK-47 behind him. Osmakac said in the video that Muslim blood was more valuable than that of people who do not believe in Islam. He said he wanted "payback" for wrong that was done to Muslims.

31. 2/17/2012: Amine el-Khalifi, 29, an illegal immigrant from Morocco was arrested near the Capitol after an undercover investigation into an alleged plot to carry out a suicide attack on the national landmark that houses Congress. He was picked up while carrying an inoperable gun and a fake suicide vest provided to him by undercover FBI agents posing as al-Qaeda associates.

32. 10/17/2012: Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 21, a Bangladeshi national living in Jamaica, Queens, NYC, was arrested after setting out to blow up the Federal Reserve Bank in lower Manhattan with a bogus 1,000-pound bomb he built with the help of undercover FBI agents. “We will not stop until we attain victory or martyrdom,” he threatened in a videotape he intended to release after detonating what he thought was a massive bomb, authorities said.

33. 12/12/2012: Raees Alam Qazi, 20, a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Pakistan and his brother, Sheheryar Alam Qazi, 30, were arrested in Ft. Lauderdale, FL, and indicted on charges of plotting to use an explosive device and conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists. They allegedly wanted to attack a landmark in New York City, e.g., Wall Street, Times Square and theaters. Their motive was to avenge deaths in Afghanistan and those killed by U.S. drone attacks.

34. 4/15/2013: 2 Russian Chechens who were brothers and Muslims, Tamerlan Tsarnaev - aged 26 (his U.S. citizenship application was rejected), and Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev - aged 19 (he was naturalized on 9/11/2012), planted numerous IEDs in Boston, MA, along the Boston Marathon route. Two IEDs detonated killing 3 innocents and maiming scores of others. The subsequent massive manhunt for the suspects led to the shooting death of an MIT policeman and a later shootout with LEOs who killed Tamerlan. The next day, 4/19/2013, Dzhokhar was apprehended.

News Hawk:
1-Billion Muslims—outside of the US—responsible for mayhem here in the US:

All 1-Billion? Mayhem in the US? Where have I heard this kind of fear mongering from you in the past? You're hatred and bigotry is getting out of hand!

obervantone wrote:

News Hawk:
1-Billion Muslims—outside of the US—responsible for mayhem here in the US:

All 1-Billion? Mayhem in the US? Where have I heard this kind of fear mongering from you in the past? You're hatred and bigotry is getting out of hand!

Not all 1-Billion Muslims: there are Malaysian Muslims who produce an excellent wine!

Funny that when I posted the same source from Wikipedia, you wrote nothing:
https://wolfgil.forumotion.com/t414p75-two-bombs-at-boston-marathon#2014

But each of the above can also be found individually at www.huffingtonpost.com/ —and perhaps at The New York Times.

obervantone wrote:

I am beginning to think the Muslim religion is a very nasty religion and if they hate us so much, they should not be allowed to be here.

I am reminded of the "Irish Problem" the British had in Northern Ireland. So are all Catholics full of hate and radical killers?

Well, that is exactly what I have been thinking all along. Surely all Muslims are not bad people who hate us and want us all dead. But the more I hear, the whole basis of that religion seems to be to kill us so that their religion can take over. So I am beginning to be more intolerant of them, wondering if they are all as awful as the ones that have successfully killed many of us.

obervantone wrote:I am reminded of the "Irish Problem" the British had in Northern Ireland. So are all Catholics full of hate and radical killers?

NO, not all Catholics are full of hate and neither are all Muslims.

It is the here and now and where the Muslims are today. There are not to many extremist Christians, but there are many Muslims that go to training camps to learn how to commit terrorism. Radical Muslims far outnumber radical Christians. There reallyis no comparison. There is no world wide issue with Christians going off the deep end taking many lives with them. In fact, if you've noticed, it’s the radical Muslim issue that is a world wide problem. Although most Muslims to not partake in such terror, they know to keep their place out of fear.

Christians didn't kill 3,000 people on 9/11, they didn't attack the USS Cole, they didn't massacre 300 people including 180 children in the Beslan school massacre, they didn't bomb trains in Madrid to kill 180 people, kill 200 with bombs on trains in India, or kill 4 and wound 200 others in Boston and they didn't plan the newest attacks in Canada.

The fact that these attacks were done in the name of Islam but it doesn't mean every Muslim or even most Muslims are bad and it has nothing to do with Christianity.

We can talk about Christianity the next time Christians blow people up in the name of God. I would be happy to discuss any possible religious motives then as well. The next time the IRA bombs someone, post a thread and I promise to post there. If someone shoots an abortion doctor in the name of God. I will be happy to post there and condemn them as well as consider the involvement of the church they were attending that led them to do that.


Terrorism is a political movement that uses religion as recruitment tool... Same was true for the IRA bombings - while religion was used as a recruitment tool, the REAL reason for the terror was always political.

Well said OL.

The fact that these attacks were done in the name of Islam but it doesn't mean every Muslim or even most Muslims are bad and it has nothing to do with Christianity.

The attacks were carried out by Osama bin Laden because of US ties to Saudi Arabia and it has nothing to do with Islam, he used radical Islamists to his advantage but he was a political ideolog, not a religious fanatic and they way to create a radical extremist is by oppression, you find a country or region that oppresses their people, feed them information about how good life can be (present or life beyond) and poof, you've got radicals. Nothing new about that and it has nothing to do with real religion.

There are not to many extremist Christians

Two words, abortion clinics.

WHL:
Well, that is exactly what I have been thinking all along. Surely all Muslims are not bad people who hate us and want us all dead. But the more I hear, the whole basis of that religion seems to be to kill us so that their religion can take over. So I am beginning to be more intolerant of them, wondering if they are all as awful as the ones that have successfully killed many of us.

Muslims are not out to kill us, or anyone else. The older brother was even shouted out of a Mosque in Boston in January because he was speaking against the Iman's sermon that compared Martin Luther King Jr to some of the great Muslim leaders.
There are radicals in every religion, nationality and sect that doesn't mean a vast majority of that religion, nationality or sect is radical.

Were the two brothers Muslims or not?

To quote the Vice President, they are:

two twisted, perverted, cowardly knock-off jihadists

obervantone wrote:To quote the Vice President, they are:

two twisted, perverted, cowardly knock-off jihadists

...and the President said...?

WHL wrote:This is what we have in this country. I think it is time for them to leave.

Of those with student visas, 20% of those "students" from bomber-prone countries never show up at their schools.

I would like to think it is true, that not all Muslims want to kill us. But I keep hearing that the Koran says that they must kill all infidels and their religion should take over. Now, I would like to see if that is in their
bible or not.

It seems like Biden speaks his mind and then the White House press secretary tells us what he meant to say.

fshnski wrote:It seems like Biden speaks his mind and then the White House press secretary tells us what he meant to say.

It's true, isn't it?!

There are radicals in every religion, nationality and sect that doesn't mean a vast majority of that religion, nationality or sect is radical.

For our sanity, let's stay in that mindset...

obervantone wrote:

There are not to many extremist Christians

Two words, abortion clinics.

Abortion clinics are indirectly tax-payer supported.

Following the Goswell trial?

Hardly any Christian I know!