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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:20 pm

http://washingtonexaminer.com/what-if-you-could-restore-veterans-pensions-fund-jobless-benefits-and-stop-illegal-immigrant-fraud-all-at-once-democrats-would-block-it./article/2541931

Senate Democrats killed an amendment from Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) that would have paid for unemployment benefits for many Americans and replaced recent cuts to veterans’ pensions by closing a tax code loophole that allows illegal aliens to access the Refundable Child Tax Credit.

The vote failed on Thursday 54-42, with all Republicans but Sen. Dean Heller (R-NV) voting for the amendment and against Senate Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV). Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) crossed the aisle to vote alongside Republicans in favor of the amendment.

The amendment would have been to the Unemployment Insurance Extension Bill, S. 1845. On the Senate floor while debating the amendment, Ayotte argued her amendment is “one that would fix fraud in our tax code that really came to light in 2011 in a Treasury IG [Inspector General] report.”

Term limits anyone??? Congress critters vote to preserve their jobs, not to represent the best interest of Americans.  Sad that only ONE Democrat Senator cares more about veterans than illegal aliens.
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:30 pm

You must think we were born yesterday. If illegal immigrants are benefiting from the child credit it's through means of fraud! That is a felony.

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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:22 pm

News Buzzard wrote:You must think we were born yesterday. If illegal immigrants are benefiting from the child credit it's through means of fraud! That is a felony.

Well happy Birthday +1  Very Happy 

The reason illegals are eligible for the credit is because even those not permitted to work in the country are expected to file tax returns with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). If they have no Social Security number, the government grants them an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number in order to file. And despite their illegal status, they still qualify for the credit, which is accorded to certain families with children under 17 years old.

Although illegal immigrants are prohibited from receiving similar tax credits, the law allows them to qualify for the child tax credit and it's a "refundable" credit, meaning recipients can reap the money with average checks totaling about $1,800.00 even if they've paid no taxes.

Illegal immigrants are estimated to procure about $7.4 billion from the IRS for 2013.

Kelly Ayotte R (NH) tried to end this…Dems in the Senate said…no thanks.

Apparently you didn’t get the memo that as a Democrat, you are to be for this pay-out.  Laughing 
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:40 pm

Nonsense! Ayotte's plan adds a paltry 3 months to the unemployment extension. The Democrats are looking at a better way to get this done and extend the unemployment benefits further without endangering poor people who may actually be entitled to the credit.

It's funny, when Bush was in they never thought about paying for extensions of unemployment. They also didn't think about paying for the wars, tax cuts etc etc etc........

I question illegal immigrants fraudulently obtaining $7.4 billion from the IRS last year, and if so they can stop it without making everyone get Social Security numbers.

I might add that the law to trim veterans pensions was bipartisan legislation. Ayotte is going to have to sweeten the pot with more than a 3 months extension to get anywhere.

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Post  Outerlimits on Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:58 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Nonsense! Ayotte's plan adds a paltry 3 months to the unemployment extension. The Democrats are looking at a better way to get this done and extend the unemployment benefits further without endangering poor people who may actually be entitled to the credit.

So you think illegal aliens are entitled to tax dollars.  Suspect 

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Post  Achigan on Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:59 pm

The GOP knew this wouldn't pass yet they had to do it again. Ayotte just wants to get in the limelight and she will do anything to hurt this nation to do it.

Below is how many times this has been tried in recent years and failed, so why the F**K does the GOP think it would happen this time. They just want to get pity for the vets (unfortunately they had to be involved, my heart goes out to them and their families).

Here it is:

In May 2011, Republican Congressman Sam Johnson sponsored a bill that would restrict illegal immigrants from obtaining refundable child tax credits. The bill was cosponsored by 100 Republicans and 1 Democrat. It was never voted upon.

In October 2011, Republican Congressman Larry Bucshon sponsored a bill that would restrict illegal immigrants from obtaining refundable child tax credits. The bill was cosponsored by 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat. It was never voted upon.

In May 2012, Republican Congressman Paul Ryan sponsored a wide-ranging bill with a provision that would restrict illegal immigrants from obtaining refundable child tax credits. The bill passed the House of Representatives with 93% of Republicans voting for it and 100% of Democrats voting against it. As of September 2012, the Senate has not voted upon it.

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Post  WHL on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:03 pm

Outer, sometimes I wonder when we try. They deny, deny deny. Good for you for proving NB wrong. Of course he still doesn't want to believe it. Now I know what NB's problem is, he is not informed.
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Post  Achigan on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:10 pm

WHL wrote:Outer, sometimes I wonder when we try.  They deny, deny deny.  Good for you for proving NB wrong. Of course he still doesn't want to believe it.  Now I know what NB's problem is, he is not informed.

Come-on WHL this whole thing is just another scheme by a politician to get attention and blame the democrats.  Read my last post please.

IMO all politicians should be taken to the woodshed and get their ass slapped for acting this way.  Why do you keep believing that the GOP is any better than the democrats when it comes to scheming???  Blame Blame Blame and do it without knowing the whole story behind the issue.


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Post  WHL on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:12 pm

The Republicans are a LITTLE better than the Dems., Achigan.
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Post  Achigan on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:18 pm

WHL wrote:The Republicans are a LITTLE better than the Dems., Achigan.  

Please tell me why Ayotte did this again and got the veterans and their families involved.

Just give me one good reason to do such a despicable thing.
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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:45 pm

Outerlimits wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:Nonsense! Ayotte's plan adds a paltry 3 months to the unemployment extension. The Democrats are looking at a better way to get this done and extend the unemployment benefits further without endangering poor people who may actually be entitled to the credit.

So you think illegal aliens are entitled to tax dollars.  Suspect 


Please tell me where I said that!

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Post  News Buzzard on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:47 pm

Achigan wrote:The GOP knew this wouldn't pass yet they had to do it again.  Ayotte just wants to get in the limelight and she will do anything to hurt this nation to do it.

Below is how many times this has been tried in recent years and failed, so why the F**K does the GOP think it would happen this time.  They just want to get pity for the vets (unfortunately they had to be involved, my heart goes out to them and their families).

Here it is:

In May 2011, Republican Congressman Sam Johnson sponsored a bill that would restrict illegal immigrants from obtaining refundable child tax credits. The bill was cosponsored by 100 Republicans and 1 Democrat. It was never voted upon.

In October 2011, Republican Congressman Larry Bucshon sponsored a bill that would restrict illegal immigrants from obtaining refundable child tax credits. The bill was cosponsored by 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat. It was never voted upon.

In May 2012, Republican Congressman Paul Ryan sponsored a wide-ranging bill with a provision that would restrict illegal immigrants from obtaining refundable child tax credits. The bill passed the House of Representatives with 93% of Republicans voting for it and 100% of Democrats voting against it. As of September 2012, the Senate has not voted upon it.


Thank you for the update, Achigan! These people apparently don't understand English!

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Post  Achigan on Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:16 pm

I thought Outer took the time to look into his posts, but I guess he is just like fsh. At least WHL just says "that's right" all the time so she is almost OK.
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Post  News Hawk on Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:16 pm

Outerlimits wrote:"...So you think illegal aliens are entitled to tax dollars..."

We should hand over our money to the United Nations to distribute to the Illegals.

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Post  News Hawk on Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:25 am

WHL wrote:The Republicans are a LITTLE better than the Dems., Achigan.  

Republicans didn't enter WWI, WWII, Vietnam, or Korea, and only entered Iraq and Afghanistan with the help of politicians like Hillary.

(Obama pronounced Afghanistan "The Good War")

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Post  WHL on Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:36 am

News Hawk wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:"...So you think illegal aliens are entitled to tax dollars..."

We should hand over our money to the United Nations to distribute to the Illegals.

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Don't worry. That's what they want us to do. They want an international tax so the rich countries pay for the poor. Income equality you know.
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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:54 am


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Post  fshnski on Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:40 am

News Buzzard wrote:This is the reason the Republicans are losing touch:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fernando-espuelas/senator-kelly-ayotte-prop_b_4582388.html

Yup. The left is afraid of Ayotte so here come all the attempts by the left to demean, dismiss and demonize another American that disagrees with their socialist agenda.

You know what is really surprising? That the huff post would have an attack article on a Republican. Who would a thunk?

Note the author of the story is FERNANDO ESPUELAS. Try to google that name. All that comes up is leftist propaganda outlets.

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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:45 am

The only thing you know how to do is attack the messenger when you lack a cohesive and intelligent argument. That's very typical of many Republicans, not all. The immigrants in question were somewhat legitimized by the fact that they were given EINs and allowed to pay taxes, and as such they should be allowed to take the same tax credits as the rest of us. You cast dispersions on an Hispanic columnist, when in fact it is the Hispanic community that kept Mitt Romney from the White House. That seems to be the disconnect between the Republicans and mainstream America, and it will once again cost them the White House in 2016. Today is January 12th, so you have another 3 years and 8 days to bitch about Obama for no damn good reason!

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Post  fshnski on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:45 am

Look in the mirror you hypocrite!


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Post  fshnski on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:47 am

You need to open your mind to the whole story, not just what you pick up from socialist propaganda machines.

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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:49 am

Once again, attack the messenger!

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Post  fshnski on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:53 am

The Ayotte amendment was remarkably simple. It would have required anyone collecting benefits from a program known as the Additional Child Tax Credit to supply a Social Security number in order to collect the money. An information sheet released by Ayotte's office noted a report from the Treasury Department inspector general explaining fraud in the ACTC program:

In 2011, the Treasury IG reported that individuals who were not authorized to work in the U.S. received $4.2 billion by claiming the ACTC. The ACTC is the refundable portion of the Child Tax Credit (CTC), which can reduce an individual's taxes owed by as much as $1,000 for each qualifying child. The audit found that "the payment of Federal funds through this tax benefit appears to provide an additional incentive for aliens to enter, reside, and work in the United States without authorization, which contradicts Federal law and policy to remove such incentives." The audit was based upon an analysis of tax returns filed by persons with Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs), which are issued to individuals who are required to have a taxpayer identification number for tax purposes but are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number because they are not authorized to work in the United States…

In a 2012 report from WTHR Indianapolis, one whistleblower characterized the issue as a "huge fraud" that allows undocumented workers to claim the tax credit for children who do not even live in the country. The whistleblower — a tax consultant — stated "we've seen sometimes 10 or 12 dependents, most times nieces and nephews, on these tax forms…the more you put on there, the more you get back." In fact, one of the workers interviewed in the investigation admitted that his address was used to file tax returns by four other undocumented workers who in total claimed 20 children, resulting in tax refunds totaling nearly $30,000.

Congress' Joint Committee on Taxation, Ayotte said, "estimates that this change will save approximately $20 billion over ten years." Ayotte's amendment would not have ended the tax credit program; it simply would have required those receiving the refundable credit to have a Social Security number. It seemed a modest and reasonable measure, especially since it would help solve the difficult problems of veterans' pensions and unemployment insurance. But it was too much for Democrats, and now the Senate is back to square one.

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Post  fshnski on Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:00 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Once again, attack the messenger!

You have as much balls as your president. You have attacked me consistently for more than two years. You chased me away with hate and contempt from your other site and now you come here and are trying to do the same. It ain't gonna happen!

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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:10 pm

fshnski wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:Once again, attack the messenger!

You have as much balls as your president. You have attacked me consistently for more than two years. You chased me away with hate and contempt from your other site and now you come here and are trying to do the same. It ain't gonna happen!

You were an infrequent contributor on the other site and no one over there chased you away.

The child tax credit has bipartisan roots and there are other ways to extend the unemployment benefits that have expired. Bush did it 4 times without paying for it!

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/tax-credits-for-illegal-immigrants/

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