GOP To Shift Tone On Obamacare

Stupid is the only industrialized nation on earth which was the last to get a national healthcare system, and stupid is a nation that allows a hospital to charge a patient $800 for a $1 bag of saline solution, and stupid is a nation that allows an ambulance company to charge a patient $1 thousand for a ride of less than half a mile to a hospital. I thank President Obama for allowing us to get smarter, despite the obstructionists who do the bidding for the 1% !

Too bad there are so many stupid people in this country, huh?

Yes, and now not only are the 1% paying for other people's health care, they are going to be paying for student loans.  Nice, Obama, got any more bright ideas?


And so, NB are you saying since Obama has his Obamacare, that hospitals aren't charging those kind of prices?  I haven't heard of any reductions…..

WHL wrote:And so, NB are you saying since Obama has his Obamacare, that hospitals aren't charging those kind of prices?  I haven't heard of any reductions…..

I didn't say that at all, but I hope and expect that is the direction we go in. Over the last few years, since Obamacare was passed, we have seen healthcare inflation dropping, and there is no reason for healthcare inflation to be more than 3 times that of normal inflation. If a hospital pays less than 20 bucks for a bag of water then they shouldn't be charging $800 for it. If you want to bait me about the 1 percenters paying for all of this, how about all of the Middle Classers who have lost everything to a medical bankruptcy? Don't they count as well ?

Here is where you just don’t get it News Buzzard.

Obamacare is not healthcare reform it is insurance reform.

There is no change to the cost structure, just who pays it.

With Obamacare; the benefits are given up front.

People like you say:

“you can’t repeal it because so many people like it and depend on it”.

Lets’ be clear, those who like it, are the ones getting the free stuff; the people paying for it and the people who will pay for it….not so much.
In this, the Progs are like drug dealers, they get the junkies hooked, but the reality is: nothing is free and the bill will come later.

It truly is insidious.

Those paying for their own insurance are paying a lot more already but eventually we will have to pay the bill for those getting subsidies and those getting free care.

We will see increased deductions in our paychecks and increases in overall liabilities from both Federal and State. It just has to happen when Obamacare expanded Medicaid and dumped millions of new welfare recipients into the system.

Obamacare has done NOTHING to control the overall cost of healthcare it just changes who is paying for it.

Perfectly said, Outer!

So the $800 bag of water, the $50 Aspirin and the $1 thousand ambulance ride is OK with you folks? You think that's acceptable?

Now we are all aware of what our fundamental differences are. You folks don't seem to mind when people get gouged, and I do. That's why I back the Democrats !

By the way, Obamacare is most definitely here to stay !     

News Buzzard wrote:So the $800 bag of water, the $50 Aspirin and the $1 thousand ambulance ride is OK with you folks? You think that's acceptable?

Now we are all aware of what our fundamental differences are. You folks don't seem to mind when people get gouged, and I do. That's why I back the Democrats !

I didn't see where any of us said that.  I think those prices ARE ridiculous.  HOWEVER, Obamacare has done nothing to correct those prices.  That is what Outer said if you had bothered to read his post.  Read his last sentence again:   "Obamacare has done nothing to control the overall cost of healthcare, it just changes who is paying for it".

The only thing that can control the cost structure of healthcare is a single payer system. Obamacare still allows for the free market, which is controlled by greed !

BTW...the 1%ers don't pay for much of any thing , it's you & I, the middle class, who pay for it all, including the trips to the ER by people who aren't insured. The only solution/remedy is single payer and elimination of the vulture insurance companies. Why in the world do we pay an insurance company for our healthcare???

You are wrong NP.  The middle class does not pay for as much as the 1%ers.  Unless you define middle class as those making over $250,000.

News Pigeon wrote:BTW...the 1%ers don't pay for much of any thing , it's you &  I, the middle class, who pay for it all, including the trips to the ER by people who aren't insured. The only solution/remedy is single payer and elimination of the vulture insurance companies. Why in the world do we pay an insurance company for our healthcare???

That's right, and the free visits to the ER are paid for by all of us through taxes. I find it interesting that a guy like Outerlimits does not renounce such overt gouging in the healthcare field, but yet he continually criticizes the union slugs who are working to protect us, keep our streets clear of snow, and teach our kids. Outerlimits thinks it's OK for a hospital to charge $5 thousand for a routine ER visit, but God forbid that the local teacher gets health insurance from the school district that employs him or her. We all know where Outerlimits is coming from, and he's definitely not with the Middle Class or poor, but that's OK because the Republicans can't muster up anyone except nitwits to run against Hillary in 2016 !

News Buzzard wrote:

News Pigeon wrote:BTW...the 1%ers don't pay for much of any thing , it's you &  I, the middle class, who pay for it all, including the trips to the ER by people who aren't insured. The only solution/remedy is single payer and elimination of the vulture insurance companies. Why in the world do we pay an insurance company for our healthcare???

That's right, and the free visits to the ER are paid for by all of us through taxes. I find it interesting that a guy like Outerlimits does not renounce such overt gouging in the healthcare field, but yet he continually criticizes the union slugs who are working to protect us, keep our streets clear of snow, and teach our kids. Outerlimits thinks it's OK for a hospital to charge $5 thousand for a routine ER visit, but God forbid that the local teacher gets health insurance from the school district that employs him or her. We all know where Outerlimits is coming from, and he's definitely not with the Middle Class or poor, but that's OK because the Republicans can't muster up anyone except nitwits to run against Hillary in 2016 !

Yep...and the nitwits are getting even crazier, Eric Cantor just lost to an even more extreme Tea-bagger today....

WHL wrote:You are wrong NP.  The middle class does not pay for as much as the 1%ers.  Unless you define middle class as those making over $250,000.

Better check your facts again.... The wealthy have their ways to avoid higher taxes, thanks to their own political power, which arises in large part from their economic power. Add to this the fact that most politicians are a step above middle class and will generally protect themselves, and it's easy to imagine that the rich will never be made to pay too much, even in a democracy. In fact, at the moment some minimum wage workers pay a higher tax rate than some of the wealthiest people in this country, thanks to various laws and tax loopholes

Outerlimits wrote:It truly is insidious.  

​Fight the Free Sh☭t Nation ​!


  


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News Pigeon wrote:

WHL wrote:You are wrong NP.  The middle class does not pay for as much as the 1%ers.  Unless you define middle class as those making over $250,000.

Better check your facts again.... The wealthy have their ways to avoid higher taxes, thanks to their own political power, which arises in large part from their economic power. Add to this the fact that most politicians are a step above middle class and will generally protect themselves, and it's easy to imagine that the rich will never be made to pay too much, even in a democracy. In fact, at the moment some minimum wage workers pay a higher tax rate than some of the wealthiest people in this country, thanks to various laws and tax loopholes

Most of the people who employee workers (small business people) do not get away with all those loopholes you talk about.  They are not getting dividends and interest like Warren Buffett so pay less.  You are right that the Warren Buffetts and GEs of the world get away with murder as far as paying taxes but the wealth creators of this country pay through the nose.  When you make ordinary income you pay.  Period.

So why do we let the Warren Buffets and the GEs get away with that? It's an extraordinary amount of money that is much needed. The Republicans filibustered the bill to create 27 new VA centers back in February because they said it was too much money, and yet we give massive amounts of money away to the very wealthy?

Remember this also. If the small business is getting hammered in taxes then they're making a lot of money, and by default you're telling me that things aren't so bad after all.

WHL wrote:
Most of the people who employee workers (small business people) do not get away with all those loopholes you talk about.  They are not getting dividends and interest like Warren Buffett so pay less.  You are right that the Warren Buffetts and GEs of the world get away with murder as far as paying taxes but the wealth creators of this country pay through the nose.  When you make ordinary income you pay.  Period.

Exactly, so my question is why would you vote for congressional leaders who promote this practice? The TEA party is at the front and center of this movement...their mantra is give all the tax breaks to the 1% and let the middle class pay for it all. Someone has to pay for the commons we enjoy in our country, who doesn't think it should be shared by all who use them?
Something is very wrong when we give corporations $92 billion in subsidies and then bitch because we have to subsidize the average wage earner...which BTW is less than we give to corps.

News Buzzard wrote:That's right, and the free visits to the ER are paid for by all of us through taxes. I find it interesting that a guy like Outerlimits does not renounce such overt gouging in the healthcare field...]Outerlimits[/b] thinks it's OK for a hospital to charge $5 thousand for a routine ER visit...

Once again…


You are mistaken.

Free visits to the ER are paid for by private insurance and private payers through higher insurance premiums and 5K ER visits by private payers.

The government does not reimburse hospitals and care-givers for people that can’t or won’t pay their medical bills. Not only do hospital and caregivers need to make up for “free visits”, healthcare providers also have to make up for the losses from Medicaid and Medicare. The Federal Government is by far the largest consumer of healthcare. The reimbursement rates to providers for Medicare/Medicaid do not cover the cost of care and the losses suffered must be made up elsewhere.

There is your $75.00 Tylenol.

Obamacare does not change costs, only who pays them.

So you're telling me that if everyone had health coverage, as in a single payer system, the cost of a Tylenol would be $1 instead of $75.   

I know there are states that provide charity assistance.

News Pigeon wrote:

WHL wrote:
Most of the people who employee workers (small business people) do not get away with all those loopholes you talk about.  They are not getting dividends and interest like Warren Buffett so pay less.  You are right that the Warren Buffetts and GEs of the world get away with murder as far as paying taxes but the wealth creators of this country pay through the nose.  When you make ordinary income you pay.  Period.

Exactly, so my question is why would you vote for congressional leaders who promote this practice? The TEA party is at the front and center of this movement...their mantra is give all the tax breaks to the 1% and let the middle class pay for it all. Someone has to pay for the commons we enjoy in our country, who doesn't think it should be shared by all who use them?
Something is very wrong when we give corporations $92 billion in subsidies and then bitch because we have to subsidize the average wage earner...which BTW is less than we give to corps.

I agree with you that there should be no special interests, but you are wrong in saying that the Tea Party is at the front and center of all this.  A flat tax with no breaks would solve it all.  And BTW, the guy who heads GE is Obama's buddy.

The cost of Tylenol remains the same no matter who pays.

Last estimate I heard total costs for healthcare in this country was around 2.7 trillion annually. Changing the payer, does not change the costs.

News Pigeon wrote: The TEA party is at the front and center of this movement...their mantra is give all the tax breaks to the 1% and let the middle class pay for it all. Someone has to pay for the commons we enjoy in our country, who doesn't think it should be shared by all who use them?

 
You clearly have no Idea what the Tea Party stands for.
 

News Pigeon wrote:Something is very wrong when we give corporations $92 billion in subsidies and then bitch because we have to subsidize the average wage earner...which BTW is less than we give to corps.

 
Then you should at least half agree with the Tea Party.  The Tea Party is strongly against subsidies and handouts to corporations and individuals.

Outerlimits wrote:The cost of Tylenol remains the same no matter who pays.

No it doesn't! You just said that hospital costs are extravagant because of all the people who have no coverage and don't pay, so if everyone has coverage then the hospital costs go down. You're advocating for the return to the same screwed up system of haves and have nots, so I guess as long as you're covered you don't really give a crap about those who are not. There are millions of Americans who can't afford health insurance, because of that $75 Tylenol and all of the other obscene hospital costs, and if they get sick with cancer they're screwed with a personal bankruptcy. The system will level itself out if everyone gets covered.

We have about 16 million people who just got health insurance because of Obamacare, and on what planet do you think that's going to get repealed ?

God! Get a grip, man, and use some common sense !!

The TOTAL COST of healthcare services does not change under Obamacare or Single Payer and I find it hard to believe you can’t grasp that very simple concept. You appear to be deliberately trying to confuse the facts.

Changing the payer source does not lower costs, it only changes who pays the bill. Obamacare shifts healthcare costs to the taxpayer and unsubsidized working people.

If you purchase 100 hotdogs at a $1 each, it doesn’t matter if 1 person pays $100.00 or 100 people pay $1 each. The cost of the hotdogs are still $100.00.

Thus the total COST remains the same.

The left tried to sell this as lowering the costs of healthcare. Obamacare does no such thing. It simply redistributes the costs.