Political Reality

Well,
 
If you are trying to make 0bama out to be the fiscal conservative, you might be better off trying to make the argument that 0bama’s presidency is the most transparent in this country’s history.    Either way…it’s a losing hand Mahzoh.
 
President George W. Bush increased the national debt by 4.899 trillion during his 8 years in office.  By all accounts, this was completely unacceptable, some even called it unpatriotic.  During 0bama’s 4 year and seven month reign, the national debt has increased by more than 6 trillion.
 
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault," think about this:
 
The day the Democrats took over was January 3rd 2007. On that day, the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress. The Democratic Party gained a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
 
On that day…

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
The country had 52 consecutive months of job creation.
 
It was also on that day Barney Frank D took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.  The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later.
 
President George W. Bush asked Congress 17 times to stop Fannie & Freddie starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy. Barney blocked it and called it a "Chicken Little Philosophy".
 
Who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and the Democrat Congress.
 
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 was the Democratic Party.  Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.
 
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.  For 2009 though, Pelosi & Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budget.
 
Where was Barack Obama during this time?
 
He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.
 
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Obama, who voted for the budgets.
 
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.
 
In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is, "I inherited a deficit that I voted for,
and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th, 2009."
 
Yet somehow...it was all Bush's fault.

You're wrong.

What is Outer wrong about, Matzoh?

Matzoh Heppelwhite. wrote:You're wrong.

That's correct, Matzoh, he's very wrong. History according to the conservatives is revisionist at the least and downright lies at the worst. The President of the United States presents his budget annually, and after revisions by the Congress it comes back to him for signature. President Bush presented the first $3 trillion budget in the history of the United States that resulted in a $1.4 trillion deficit:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18672648

Obama didn't order the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama didn't sign massive tax cuts. Obama didn't create the Department of Homeland Security. Obama didn't sign the Medicare part D bill, and Obama and the Democrats didn't cause the recession. All of the above are the reasons for our public debt today. Somehow, they have managed to blame Barney Frank for the recession when the Republicans were in control of the Congress and the White House!

Outerlimits is right about one thing; "Yet somehow...it was all Bush's fault"

There is no point in arguing with them, Matzoh! Let them have their little Right Wing block party, because the Republicans aren't going to gain any ground in future elections, not with their attitude toward women and minorities. Hillary is a lock!

Couldn't agree more poppa.....

4.899 trillion <  6 trillion
 
year......Receipts......Outlays......Deficit
2004......1880.1........2,292.9...... -412.7
2005......2,153.6.......2,472.0.......-318.3
2006......2,406.9.......2,655.1.......-248.2
2007......2,568.0.......2,728.7.......-160.7
Jan, 2007 democrats take control of senate and house.
2008......2,524.0.......2,982.5.......-458.6
Obama -"I will cut the deficit by half by the end of my first term."
2009......2,105.0.......3,517.7.......-1,412.7
2010......2,162.7.......3,456.2.......-1,293.5
2011......2,303.5.......3,603.1.......-1,299.6
 
 
Notice how the libs conveniently mix together the deficit and spending, as though they are the same thing. They are not. The deficit IS a problem, but our biggest problem by far is the absolute level of spending at 24% of GDP. I'm also amazed that they talk about the stimulus as $800B, as though it was a one time thing. In fact, it reset the baseline spending for the fed govt, so that it's basically been $800B for 4 years running.
 
Let’s put democrat's economic illiteracy aside for a moment.
 
One would be hard pressed to find a Republican that supports every move President George W. Bush made during his tenure.
 
Here are a few of his failures:
 
He tried to regulate Freddie and Fanny and stop the housing insanity, but he failed to take on the democrats.
 
He wanted to fix social security but had to fight democrats and establishment Republicans, and didn't have the courage or the ability to articulate the issue.
 
He passed a drug mandate trying to please liberals but should know better.
 
He also passed a tax cut that was half Keynesian and half supply side. The supply side worked, the Keynesian side just cost revenue.  
 
He began two wars which democrats did no oppose or even debate but then he slipped into nation building like a liberal democrat.
 
Most of all he urged passage of TARP even though he knew a radical crook was about to take over.
 
0bama has been in office long enough to sharply decrease spending.  At every turn he talks of increasing spending.
 
Many on the Left and Right still despise George W. Bush.  By now it should be clear the "first post-racial, uniter" has been nothing of the sort! He is a classic narcissist who blames everyone but himself and constantly plays the victim. Obama has engendered and festered yet more animosity between the races and the divergent sides of the political spectrum.
 
The Left, especially the supercilious ObaMessiah, simply believe that their ends justify their means...amazing hubris, really.
 
What is a liberal?
 
A liberal is a person who will give you the shirt off someone else's back.
 
A liberal (now euphemistically and artfully called “a progressive") is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with YOUR money.
 
A liberal sees the world as he or she would like it to be and as he or she IMAGINES how things work.  A true conservative cannot ignore realities.

Thanks for posting the truth, outer. The liberals distort the truth any way they can and say the conservatives are the ones that are wrong.

The definitions of a liberal are perfect. Do you see Pelosi offering her multi millions (or more)? No, she passes bills to help her husband get richer. I will not buy Starkist tuna. Reid had no money when he went into Congress and now he is a multi millionaire. Obama, as we all know came off the street. Yep, they are going to grow their millions and take other people's money to earn them votes. They don't really care about any of us.

Here is some more truth for you, WHL. This came right from the GOPs mouth:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-lawmakers-say-irs-scrutiny-likely-not-politically

I wonder if anyone told career criminal, Darrell Issa, that the IRS scandal is over? Maybe now the right wing lunatics will try to re-invent the Benghazi "scandal" in a pathetic effort to take Hillary Clinton down! The GOP's antics would be comical if they weren't so sad!

I thought we were talking about budgets, debt and deficit not the Chi-Town thug tactics of this administration.  

More money is currently spent on Social Security, than on any of the other program making Social Security the biggest driver of the debt. Although it is about to be passed by Medicare/Obamacare, and by the amount we pay in Interest on the National Debt.

Whenever a conservative talks about fixing Social Security and Medicare, The liberal crowd screams…Republicans want to take away your healthcare and social security.

Kind of like your signature there Buzzard. 

I am not saying Republicans are innocent, because the vast majority of the incumbents are not. Few in Washington will touch the subject of Social Security or Medicare/Madicaid because they will be voted out of office.

Paul Ryan tried to start a discussion on fixing Social Security for people who were not going to retire for a couple of decades and was vilified.

The problem lies with the fact the liberals won’t admit there is a problem so any attempt to fix it will be attacked. That sort of explains their blind faith in the least qualified and most incompetent president in this nation’s history.




Total Fed spending. . $3,456.2 billion

Social Security . . . . . . $707.7 billion
Medicare . . . . . . . . . . . 451.6 billion
Interest on Natl Debt. . . 413.9 billion
Health (incl. Medicaid). . 369.1 billion
Food Stamps . . . . . . . . . 95.1 billion

Spending on Defense is up there too, at $693 billion. Unlike the programs listed above, Defense is authorized for the Federal government by the Constitution, and so is a legal program. the others are not.

If we were to eliminate all the programs the Federal Government is currently doing illegally without Constitutional authorization, and payments on the National Debt created by those programs, the Federal budget would be approx. 1/4 the size it is today. That would instantly run a Federal budget surplus and we could start paying down the debt.

Individual states could then be able to decide whether it wanted to continue its share of the other programs that have generated such huge debt.

And I should believe the New York Times, why??????

And O-bomb-ya expands Bush's assault on liberty and nobody cares because we're all arguing about HOW broke we are.

Our asses are broke, period, and when you are talking about tens of TRILLIONS of dollars, does it really matter anymore?

You "liberals" should be ashamed of yourselves.

How does it feel coming down on the side of Bush, Cheney, Rice and Limbaugh WRT to spying and civil liberties and drone strikes?

You are as bad as "right wing" hypocrites, worse actually.