Republican Success In A Flowchart

News Buzzard Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:25 am

They shouldn't use Ted Cruz as a strategist anymore:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/chart-the-house-gops-demand-list

fshnski Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:56 am

More BS! from the lefties. Rachel Maddow? Surely you jest. Is she on before or after your hero Al Sharpton?

Outerlimits Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:13 am

The Republicans asked for:

Defunding Obamacare
Delay Obamacare
Delay Individual Mandate
Deny exemptions from Obamacare for Obama, Cabinet and Congress.
Approve Keystone
Means testing for Medicare
Changing Federal Employee Pensions
Expand Oil Drilling
Tort Reform
Weaken Regulations on the Coal Industry
Tax code changes
Repeal Medical Device Tax

All were denied.

We got:

The green light to add even more debt to the country’s maxed out credit cards. 17 trillion will soon be 20 trillion.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out who really lost. I am ashamed of the burden we are placing upon our children and grandchildren.

fshnski Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:15 am

None of that matters because the Democrats got their way. That is all that matters to the left.

News Buzzard Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:55 am

Our spending is down considerably, hence a 50% reduction in our deficit this past year, and more revenue is always an option. If the right wingers were really concerned about their children and grandchildren they would take an honest look at where spending and revenues should be. Fat chance!!!

fshnski Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:07 pm

It's only down because of how much obama spent before.

CBS News) The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama's three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency.

The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.

The latest posting from the Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department shows the National Debt now stands at $15.566 trillion. It was $10.626 trillion on President Bush's last day in office, which coincided with President Obama's first day.

The National Debt also now exceeds 100% of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, the total value of goods and services.

Mr. Obama has been quick to blame his predecessor for the soaring Debt, saying Mr. Bush paid for two wars and a Medicare prescription drug program with borrowed funds.

The federal budget sent to Congress last month by Mr. Obama, projects the National Debt will continue to rise as far as the eye can see. The budget shows the Debt hitting $16.3 trillion in 2012, $17.5 trillion in 2013 and $25.9 trillion in 2022.

News Buzzard Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:11 pm

You conveniently left out the tax cuts, the recession and Mitch McConnell's $3 billion dam

http://news.yahoo.com/congressional-deal-includes-nearly--3-billion-for-kentucky-dam-project-001012679.html

fshnski Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:16 pm

News Buzzard wrote:You conveniently left out the tax cuts, the recession and Mitch McConnell's $3 billion dam

http://news.yahoo.com/congressional-deal-includes-nearly--3-billion-for-kentucky-dam-project-001012679.html

If you were paying attention you would have seen that I already mentioned that.

Income tax payments dropped 51% for corporations and 23% for people. So the government had to borrow.

http://zfacts.com/node/449

News Buzzard Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:32 pm

Thank you for making my point that we need more revenue. It should also be pointed out that Bush's last budget proposal, from Oct 1, 2008 to September 30, 2009 (Obama's first 9 months) was the first $3 trillion budget in the history of this country and resulted in a $1.4 trillion deficit. Obama's subsequent budgets followed suit until this past year when the deficit dropped to $645 billion.

Obama had to deal with a $300 billion annual loss of revenue with the Bush tax cuts, Medicare part D (not as costly as predicted), a Great Recession, the creation of Homeland Security and a doubling of the Defense Budget. We have a spending problem alright, but we also have a revenue problem. The right wing blames Obama for everything, but he decisively won reelection!

fshnski Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:34 pm

Blah, blah, blah ...

It's now wonder the left thinks nobody should win, that every body should get the same trophy. You are the perfect example of a poor sport.

Outerlimits Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:02 pm

News Buzzard wrote:Thank you for making my point that we need more revenue. It should also be pointed out that Bush's last budget proposal, from Oct 1, 2008 to September 30, 2009 (Obama's first 9 months) was the first $3 trillion budget in the history of this country and resulted in a $1.4 trillion deficit. Obama's subsequent budgets followed suit until this past year when the deficit dropped to $645 billion.

Obama had to deal with a $300 billion annual loss of revenue with the Bush tax cuts, Medicare part D (not as costly as predicted), a Great Recession, the creation of Homeland Security and a doubling of the Defense Budget. We have a spending problem alright, but we also have a revenue problem. The right wing blames Obama for everything, but he decisively won reelection!

Total Spending for 2009 (Bush’s last budget year) was 3.362 trillion.

Obama’s Spending:

2010: 3.670 trillion (Democrats controlled Congress)
2011: 3.746 trillion (Democrats controlled Congress)
2012: 3.611 trillion
2013 3.455 trillion

Obama Deficits:

2010: 1.294 trillion (Democrats controlled Congress)
2011: 1,300 trillion (Democrats controlled Congress)
2012: 1.087 trillion
2013: 973 Billion

To date Obama has run up $5.064 trillion in deficit spending 4.5 years.

If you call deficit spending that outpaced President Bush's by nearly a trillion a year responsible fiscal stewardship, I am speechless.
Some Republicans tried to slow down this deficit spending; I applaud them for their efforts. The Democrats got their tax hike on the rich and the IRS is collecting the highest revenues in history. Yet this administration continues to spend more than twice the levels seen at any 4 year period in this nation’s history.

By the way, the Democrats tried to undo the sequester cuts during the shut-down. Don’t try to sell the Democrats and this administration as fiscally responsible.

Achigan Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:16 pm

fshnski wrote:Blah, blah, blah ...

It's now wonder the left thinks nobody should win, that every body should get the same trophy. You are the perfect example of a poor sport.

I don't like to take sides, but you are very difficult to have a debate with. Your sarcasm and offbeat remarks are uncalled for.

Blah, Blah, Blah is usually used when someone doesn't have an intelligent answer to the other persons comment/s.

Please be polite and stop the constant belittling comments.

fshnski Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:18 pm

I wasn't talking to you.

Achigan Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:25 pm

fshnski wrote:I wasn't talking to you.

Childish behavior.

This forum will not grow until you stop instantly commenting after every post. I for one won't be active unless things change.

fshnski Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:30 pm

Achigan wrote:Childish behavior.

That's an interesting handle you have there. Where did you come up with that name?

While your'e at it take a look at turd boy's avatar.

News Hawk Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:37 pm

Achigan wrote:Blah, Blah, Blah is usually used when someone doesn't have an intelligent answer to the other persons comment/s. Please be polite and stop the constant belittling comments.

I get "Blah, blah, blah," from Matzoh.

As Matzoh is challenged in Logic and Reason, Matzoh's consistent in NOT having an intelligent answer to the other persons comment/s.

News Buzzard Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:39 pm

Outerlimits wrote:To date Obama has run up $5.064 trillion in deficit spending 4.5 years.

Almost entirely as a result of the Bush programs and Great Recession. To dump this whole thing in Obama's lap is wrong and obviously not believed by the voters last November! And for you to not consider revenues to protect our subsequent generations shows a complete lack of sincerity!!!

Do you have any idea what the debacle of the last 2 weeks has done for the Republican brand? Why don't you just make up a set of keys to the White House for Hillary right now. I'm thinking she'll be good for 400 electoral votes!

News Hawk Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:48 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:To date Obama has run up $5.064 trillion in deficit spending 4.5 years.
Almost entirely as a result of the Bush programs and Great Recession. To dump this whole thing in Obama's lap is wrong and obviously not believed by the voters last November! And for you to not consider revenues to protect our subsequent generations shows a complete lack of sincerity!!!

Do you have any idea what the debacle of the last 2 weeks has done for the Republican brand? Why don't you just make up a set of keys to the White House for Hillary right now. I'm thinking she'll be good for 400 electoral votes!

The voters in November and their dead relatives!

News Buzzard Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:38 pm

Not all dead voters are Democrats!!!

Outerlimits Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:52 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:To date Obama has run up $5.064 trillion in deficit spending 4.5 years.
Almost entirely as a result of the Bush programs and Great Recession. To dump this whole thing in Obama's lap is wrong and obviously not believed by the voters last November! And for you to not consider revenues to protect our subsequent generations shows a complete lack of sincerity!!!

Do you have any idea what the debacle of the last 2 weeks has done for the Republican brand? Why don't you just make up a set of keys to the White House for Hillary right now. I'm thinking she'll be good for 400 electoral votes!

Still blaming Bush???

Mark this week as the definitive moment when many adults refused to take responsibility for their actions and decided it was easier to pass the burden onto their children and grandchildren. We will be the first to pass on our country in worse shape to future generations.

At the moment, the Republicans are being blamed and that is fine.

Democrats want to just give Obama a checkbook without a limit and they are mad as hell SOME republicans have any pretense of a debt limit. If they had their way the Democrats and establishment Republicans should spend all they want.

Our leaders will break the back of the middle class with unlimited immigration and “free” healthcare. They are fine with letting the EPA grind every energy company to a halt and regulate everything they can get their hands on.

It is clear many people don’t care about this country or its’ economic well-being. They just want to win. They want to see Obama beat the GOP, no matter how much damage it does to this country. I wonder how they can even look into the eyes of their children and grandchildren.

News Hawk Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:20 pm

Outerlimits wrote:"...Democrats want to just give Obama a checkbook without a limit and they are mad as hell SOME republicans have any pretense of a debt limit. If they had their way the Democrats and establishment Republicans should spend all they want.

They just want to win. They want to see Obama beat the GOP, no matter how much damage it does to this country. I wonder how they can even look into the eyes of their children and grandchildren.

Dems "game the system".

Yellin will make sure that Inflation covers the Obama Administration's malfeasance.

News Buzzard Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:33 pm

Outerlimits wrote:Still blaming Bush???

Yup, and rightfully so!!

Let's compare this with a simple household checkbook: If your household spending goes up 89% over 8 years time and you put about 10% less into your checking account annually, what will your checkbook balance look like?

Then, take into account that you lose your job and the contributions to the checkbook drop off substantially: What will your household finances look like after that happens? Will you still have your house? The federal budget doesn't need to be balanced by law because we have the power to borrow money, but our federal budget is not much different than the household checking account. The Republicans need to get off their asses and look at all the options to balance our checkbook!!! Taking tax hikes off the table is an ideological non-starter, and that's why Hillary will stroll into the White House!!!

News Hawk Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:15 am

News Buzzard wrote:"...Thank you for making my point that we need more revenue..."

News Hawk Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:22 am

News Buzzard wrote:Not all dead voters are Democrats!!!

...Does Amazon carry a book on it?

Cool

News Hawk Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:29 am

News Buzzard wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:Still blaming Bush???
"...The Republicans need to get off their asses and look at all the options to balance our checkbook...!!!"

How about simply printing more money, and let Inflation affect our economy?

Any child could have thought of that!

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