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Post  News Hawk on Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:03 pm

What do these photos say about leaders Vladimir Putin...and...Barack Obama?

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Post  WHL on Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:30 am

That Obama bowed down to them, he is submissive, he shows no strength. That is why we are in the situation we are in. Ronald Regan never had to bomb anybody, he just had to talk tough and they left us alone.
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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:13 pm

WHL wrote:That is why we are in the situation we are in.

What situation are we in? The economy is picking up and we're winding down the wars. What's the reason for the gloom and doom?

Why didn't News Hawk post the picture of Bush walking hand in hand with the Prince of Saudi Arabia? Oh I forgot, this forum is all about bashing Obama, who beat McCain, Palin, Romney and Ryan in two elections! That's how dumb he is!!  Rolling Eyes

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Post  WHL on Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:17 pm

Obama telling Putin there will be consequences and Putin ignoring him…..
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Post  Anti Federalist on Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:26 pm

O Bomb Ya doesn't look as funny riding a Ritz cracker?

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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:30 pm

WHL wrote:Obama telling Putin there will be consequences and Putin ignoring him…..

You mean kind of like when Putin went into Georgia on Bush's watch?

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Post  News Hawk on Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:19 pm

News Buzzard wrote:
WHL wrote:That is why we are in the situation we are in.

Why didn't News Hawk post the picture of Bush walking hand in hand with the Prince of Saudi Arabia?

Because among the Saudi people it is a sign of proper etiquette.  

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In the Old World, conversations between two individuals are normally held much closer than we're accustomed-to in the New World—still another custom of which NB remains willingly  ignorant.

"In many cases, people of the same gender holding hands while walking is considered an ordinary display of friendship without romantic connotations,"

—Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_the_Middle_East



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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:30 pm

News Hawk wrote:Because among the Saudi people it is a sign of proper etiquette.

Isn't bowing proper etiquette in some cultures?

Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals, as was Osama bin Laden, (remember him?) so when has Saudi Arabia become our close friends?

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Post  News Hawk on Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:37 pm

A primer on Ukraine and Putin:

http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=8214

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Post  News Hawk on Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:41 pm

A primer on Obama and Putin:


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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:46 pm

I have yet to see one solution to all of this as the right wing fad is to criticize Obama. What's the answer, big shot? Another war?

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Post  Anti Federalist on Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:21 pm

News Buzzard wrote:I have yet to see one solution to all of this as the right wing fad is to criticize Obama. What's the answer, big shot? Another war?

Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/ron-paul-leave-ukraine-alone

Last week Ukraine saw its worst violence since the break-up of the Soviet Union over 20 years ago. Protesters occupying the main square in the capitol city, Kiev, clashed with police leaving many protesters and police dead and many more wounded. It is an ongoing tragedy and it looks like there is no end in sight.

The current conflict stems from a divide between western Ukraine, which seeks a closer association with the European Union, and the eastern part of the country, which has closer historic ties to Russia.

The usual interventionists in the US have long meddled in the internal affairs of Ukraine. In 2004 it was US government money that helped finance the Orange Revolution, as US-funded NGOs favoring one political group over the other were able to change the regime. These same people have not given up on Ukraine. They keep pushing their own agenda for Ukraine behind the scenes, even as they ridicule anyone who claims US involvement.

A recent leaked telephone conversation between two senior government officials made it clear that not only was the US involved in the Ukrainian unrest, the US was actually seeking to determine who should make up the next Ukrainian government!

Senator John McCain, who has made several trips to Ukraine recently to meet with the opposition, wrote last week that the US must stand up to support the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including Crimea.

Why are US government officials so eager to tell the Ukrainians what they should do? Has anyone bothered to ask the Ukrainians? What if might help alleviate the ongoing violence and bloodshed, if the Ukrainians decided to re-make the country as a looser confederation of regions rather than one tightly controlled by a central government? Perhaps Ukraine engaged in peaceful trade with countries both to the west and east would benefit all sides. But outside powers seem to be fighting a proxy war, with Ukraine suffering the most because of it.

If you asked most Americans how they feel, my bet is that you would discover they are sick and tired of the US government getting involved in every crisis that arises. Certainly the American people want none of of this intervention in Ukraine. They understand, as recent polls have shown, that our interventionist foreign policy is only creating more enemies overseas. And they also understand that we are out of money. We could not afford to be the policemen of world even if we wanted to be.

And I bet if we asked the Ukrainians, a vast majority of them would prefer that the US — and Russia and the European Union — stay out their affairs and respect their sovereignty. Is it so difficult to understand why people resent being lectured and bribed by foreign governments? All we need to do is put ourselves in the place of the Ukrainians and ask ourselves how we would feel if we were in the middle of a tug-of-war between a very strong Canada on one side and a very strong Mexico on the other. We would resent it as well. So let’s keep our hands off of Ukraine and let them solve their own problems!
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Post  News Buzzard on Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:10 pm

And then the war-mongering blockheads, like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Sarah Palin and News Hawk, immediately call Obama weak. Do you think the Republican controlled House will pony up the taxes and raise trillions of dollars to go to war? No, they'll borrow it and then point the finger at Obama for all of the debt. That's their standard operating procedure!

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Post  News Hawk on Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:55 pm

News Buzzard wrote:And then the war-mongering blockheads, like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Sarah Palin and News Hawk, immediately call Obama weak. Do you think the Republican controlled House will pony up the taxes and raise trillions of dollars to go to war? No, they'll borrow it and then point the finger at Obama for all of the debt. That's their standard operating procedure!

1) Does News Buzzard understand the meaning of "projection"?

2) Obama has demonstrated that he IS weak—weakness invariably leads to the wars most of us don't want!

3) Khruschev saw JFK as a weak President, which led to the closest the world has  ever come to nuclear war.

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Post  Anti Federalist on Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:52 am

News Hawk wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:And then the war-mongering blockheads, like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Sarah Palin and News Hawk, immediately call Obama weak. Do you think the Republican controlled House will pony up the taxes and raise trillions of dollars to go to war? No, they'll borrow it and then point the finger at Obama for all of the debt. That's their standard operating procedure!

1) Does News Buzzard understand the meaning of "projection"?

2) Obama has demonstrated that he IS weak—weakness invariably leads to the wars most of us don't want!

3) Khruschev saw JFK as a weak President, which led to the closest the world has  ever come to nuclear war.

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And where is Khruschev now?

Buried, just like the Soviet Empire he ran.

Buried by military spending and foreign interventionism that is threatening to do the exact same thing to us.

We have NO dog in this hunt, let the people of Ukraine decide if they want prissy, socialistic, EU style tyranny or mobbed up, Russian Federation tyranny.

Enough already...if it is any threat to us, let the damn Chinese go fight the Russians, if nothing but to protect their prime export market and principal debtor.
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Re: Comparing Putin and Obama...

Post  News Buzzard on Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:44 am

News Hawk wrote:
1) Does News Buzzard understand the meaning of "projection"?

2) Obama has demonstrated that he IS weak—weakness invariably leads to the wars most of us don't want!

3) Khruschev saw JFK as a weak President, which led to the closest the world has  ever come to nuclear war.

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You don't seem to get it. We showed our weakness when we went into Iraq with very little support from the international community and no plan! Mission accomplished! (8 years later, maybe) Obama showed his strength when he ramped up the drone program and sent a team into Pakistan to get Osama bin Laden, and his real strength will be in breaking the never ending cycle of wars.

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Post  WHL on Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:28 am

Maybe if we just left themselves fight each other instead of us fighting for them and then letting them build their infrastructure up (not us) , it will keep them busy. That includes the middle east. We complain about how we need more money for roads and schools yet we seem to find it for those countries.
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Post  News Buzzard on Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:12 am

WHL wrote:Maybe if we just left themselves fight each other instead of us fighting for them and then letting them build their infrastructure up (not us) , it will keep them busy.  That includes the middle east.  We complain about how we need more money for roads and schools yet we seem to find it for those countries.

That's true, and I'm sure News Hawk won't agree with that.

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Post  Outerlimits on Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:48 am

Looks like Romney was right…AGAIN.   Russia is the biggest threat to the free world.  Obama actually mocked Romney on this FACT but then again, what do you expect from a community organizer?

The United States and Britain “reaffirmed” their commitment to protect Ukraine’s borders in exchange for the nation giving up its nuclear weapons in a little-known agreement known as the “Budapest Memorandum” signed by former President Bill Clinton in 1994.

This is now a European Union problem.  We have once again let our allies down while emboldening our enemies.  It is really a no-win situation for the European Union.  With Russia supplying so much energy to EU nations in form of natural gas, Russia certainly has the capability of the EU in military and certainly unified leadership
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Obama is weak.  Our allies don’t trust him and our enemies will continue to push our interest abroad.  Yeah George W. Bush was not liked either, but at least our enemies feared him.

Peace through strength

This could have been avoided.

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Post  News Hawk on Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:47 am

Outerlimits wrote:Looks like Romney was right…AGAIN.   Russia is the biggest threat to the free world.  Obama actually mocked Romney on this FACT but then again, what do you expect from a community organizer?

Let's go easy on Obama in his first real job.

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Post  News Buzzard on Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:08 pm

News Hawk wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:Looks like Romney was right…AGAIN.   Russia is the biggest threat to the free world.  Obama actually mocked Romney on this FACT but then again, what do you expect from a community organizer?

Let's go easy on Obama in his first real job.

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What did Bush do when Russia invaded Georgia? Don't all answer at once!

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Post  WHL on Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:14 pm

Peace through strength is exactly right! Romney didn't get elected because Obama lied so much and the gullible people believed him and voted for him. Hope and change and transparency. Sure.
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Post  News Buzzard on Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:04 pm

WHL wrote:Peace through strength is exactly right!  Romney didn't get elected because Obama lied so much and the gullible people believed him and voted for him.  Hope and change and transparency.  Sure.

Oh yeah! Tell me that Romney didn't flip-flop more than a flounder in a bucket on every issue! How about Romney and Ryan's tax cut, you know, the one where they were going to cut everyone's taxes by 20% and make it revenue neutral? If you cut your prices by 20% would you have the same revenue coming in? If you believed that one I have a bridge to sell you, with no lanes closed!

At least we have Romney to thank for Obamacare!!      Haha!!!       Razz

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Post  Outerlimits on Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:23 pm

Why are you using George W. Bush as your measuring stick?

Obama is a pompous egotist who is convinced he can change everything just by reading a speech read from a teleprompter. He doesn’t see the world as it is, he sees it as he thinks it should be. He can fool those who want to get free stuff from the government, but he can’t fool Putin. Apparently Chicago style politics and a cool delivery don’t quite measure up to the KGB training.

For those keeping score Putin: 3, Obama: 0.

The last thing I want is military action, but weak presidents make bad decisions. His foreign policy is rooted in cognitive dissonance.

Back in 2009, Obama and Hillary killed the Eastern European missile shield with no Russian concessions for doing so. That action was supposed to be the “RESET” button.
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Post  News Buzzard on Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:14 pm

Outerlimits wrote:Why are you using George W. Bush as your measuring stick?
 

You're right! Obama is a thousand times better than Bush!!!

BUSH: 3,000 Americans murdered by terrorists on his watch!

BUSH: Got the US into a nation building disaster in Afghanistan at a cost of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars!

BUSH   Unilaterally started an unnecessary war in Iraq that lasted 9 years. Toll: 5,000 American lives, thousands more injured,           100,000 Iraqi citizens dead and trillions of dollars spent. Result: No weapons of mass destruction, no connection with al Qaeda, and Iraq getting cozy with Iran, with the entire Mideast unsettled!

BUSH   Pathetic economic policy leads to a Great Recession with 10% unemployment and personal savings of millions of Americans destroyed

BUSH  Russia invades Georgia and Bush doesn't do a damn thing about it!

BUSH  Massive tax cuts to the rich that leads to record deficits.

OBAMA  Inherits the above pile of garbage from Bush and gets no help from the Party Of No!

OBAMA  Rescues the economy (with no help from the Republicans) and it's getting better all the time. The economic picture for 2014 and 2015 are looking good.

OBAMA  Saved Social Security and Medicare from a menace by the name of Paul Ryan, and now those programs are here to stay!

OBAMA  No wars!! No more thousands of soldiers killed and trillions of dollars spent!

OBAMA  Creates our first national healthcare system that the Republicans didn't vote for and can do nothing about!

Silly me for comparing Obama with Bush! The Republican party has become a useless bunch of pathetic fools!

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