Re: A scandal worse than Watergate

fshnski Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:15 pm

Outerlimits wrote:Buzzard,

You have NO PROBLEM with what the IRS did?

You have NO PROBLEM with the AG lying?

You have NO PROBLEM with multiple government agencies breaking the law, lying covering and refusing to hold those responsible, accountable?

If you are not embarrassed by the actions of the Administration, the State Department, the Justice Department, and the IRS, there is really something wrong. If you fail to see any wrongdoing, you are lying to yourself.

OBAMA should be out in front of all these scandals. He should be on TV every day demanding answers, demanding accountability and demanding transparency. If Obama is not involved, an investigation would PROVE his innocents and out the people behind these crimes. Obama should be the #1 advocate for the investigations...but once again he is absent.

Tweet, Tweet ... race flag!

Can you believe that we're arguing with people that think this is OK?

News Hawk Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:47 pm

fshnski wrote:

That sounds like the attitude of a frickin' punk hoodlum who thinks he's above the law.

Against Issa?

It could also be "Opposition-Research", that our domestic enemies have perfected.

The IRS and NSA data can be gleaned for even more "punkishness".

'See where NSA-spying targeted our troops?

pale

Outerlimits Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:08 pm

”newsbuzzard” wrote:Accusations that reek of partisanship are not credible, Outerlimits. There is no proof that any targeting by the IRS (if it was in fact targeting or not just clerical categorizing) came from the White House.

So any accusation that involves a political party of wrongdoing is not credible…how convenient. The Inspector Generals report disagrees with your assertion that there is no proof of targeting by the IRS. The IRS already apologized for their actions and Obama condemned them as well. The investigation will show how high up this goes. Now who is it that is obstructing here? Don’t you believe we should find out?

”newsbuzzard” wrote:Congress says Holder lied about the Rosen case. He said he wasn't interested in prosecuting Rosen or anyone in the media, but rather using the information to find the source of the leaks. There is no lie if the unintended consequence was a prosecution of Rosen.

If that is true, then he Holder lied to a Federal Judge to obtain the warrant. See how this works?

”newsbuzzard” wrote:A week before Lois Lerner appeared before Issa's kangaroo committee, a congressman on Camp's committee said at public hearing that she lied to Congress. (perjury is a felony) What choice did she have a week later when she appeared before Issa's committee, but to take the 5th. I'm very surprised that you, Outerlimits, conclude that taking the 5th is presumptive evidence of guilt. Nothing is further from the truth in America, and you know it.

You are missing the point, I never said she was guilty (I don’t know if she is) but someone committed a crime and she refused to answer to hide her own guilt or cover/ make a deal for immunity. If there was no crime, no need to take the fifth and no need for immunity. Don’t you think that those who are guilty should be brought to justice?

”newsbuzzard” wrote:Issa insists at a coverup at Benghazi, and that we let the Americans die without any attempt at rescue, but every credible person, including former Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, stated that a rescue was impossible. That investigation will go nowhere.

It still does not explain WHO put out the talking points out there and WHO gave the stand down order. We know there was never a protest in Benghazi.

”newsbuzzard” wrote:I fully believe that there is fundamental, race based hatred for Obama throughout this country, hence all of these frothing at the mouth investigations.

I believe when one has nowhere else to turn, they play the race card. 51% of the country voted for a man without a resume. Obama’s promises sounded good but he has failed to deliver on most of them. Before you jump into the…”but the republicans blocked him at every turn speech”. The first thing he promised was to unite this county. That was just the beginning of his LONG list of failures.

Now he has begun to unravel the trust of the 51% that voted him into power. He has permanently damaged his legacy and the trust the people have in their government. If you believe this bodes will for Democrats…you simply are not listening.

News Buzzard Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:25 pm

You're still getting nowhere with all of the investigations, and they're not moving the needle much with the public. The whole birther fiasco was all about racism, back when folks used to call Obama the village idiot from Kenya! Well, the village idiot won reelection, 332 electoral votes to 206, so now the Republicans are going to try and investigate his second term away. It's all about making things better for the American people! Rolling Eyes

News Hawk Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:27 pm

Somebody find that definition of "shill", and repeat it here...

Rolling Eyes

News Buzzard Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:31 pm

And then there are others who refer to Obama as a Marxist, communist, socialist, and sometimes even a Nazi! No racism there! Rolling Eyes

News Hawk Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:38 pm

News Buzzard wrote:It's all about making things better for the American people!

Hooray!

Let's arrange a third term for Obama!

sunny

**WHL** Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:50 pm

News Buzzard wrote:You're still getting nowhere with all of the investigations, and they're not moving the needle much with the public. The whole birther fiasco was all about racism, back when folks used to call Obama the village idiot from Kenya! Well, the village idiot won reelection, 332 electoral votes to 206, so now the Republicans are going to try and investigate his second term away. It's all about making things better for the American people!

NB, this is so typical of you. You only choose to tell half of all the stories, the one half you like. Although Obama won the electoral vote handily, the popular vote was very close. You have repeated this story about Obama's landslide so many times, I think it is now time for you to tell the whole story. But since you won't, I will. Here it is:

President Obama ended up crushing Mitt Romney in the Electoral College vote, soaring above 300 electoral votes when he needed just 270 for re-election.
But the popular vote was insanely close.
With 75 percent of precincts reporting, Obama held a razor-thin lead:
Obama 49,596,414
Romney 49,557,024
Just before that, with 73 percent reporting, Romney actually held a lead in the popular vote.
Obama ended the night with 332 electoral votes to Romney's 206. But the popular vote was shaking out like this as final counts were made:
Obama 58,699,931
Romney 56,453,562
As Romney delayed the president's victory speech by delaying his concession, the closeness of the popular vote may have factored into his camp's decision to delay the inevitable.

This is from "Heavy" whatever that is, but you can find it anywhere.

Outerlimits Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:27 pm

News Buzzard wrote:And then there are others who refer to Obama as a Marxist, communist, socialist, and sometimes even a Nazi! No racism there!

I didn’t know Obama had ancestral roots from the Eastern Europe and Russia. Laughing

News Buzzard Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:40 pm

Close don't count in presidential elections, WHL. Obama got 65,899,660 votes. Romney got 60,932,152 votes, or nearly 5 million less:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

Look at the states on the chart, and you'll notice that the red states didn't have many electoral votes, while the blue states did. Either way, Obama won easily!

Here is the breakdown by race: (in percentages)

      Race                                                                 Obama                                   Romney

      White                                                                  39                                          59

      Black                                                                   93                                          6

      Hispanic                                                              71                                          27

    Asian                                                                 73                                          26

      Other                                                                  58                                          38

As you can see, the party of the "old white guys" really has to re-tool itself. America is changing!

News Buzzard Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:42 pm

Outerlimits wrote:
News Buzzard wrote:And then there are others who refer to Obama as a Marxist, communist, socialist, and sometimes even a Nazi! No racism there!

I didn’t know Obama had ancestral roots from the Eastern Europe and Russia.

Neither did I! Very Happy

News Hawk Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:56 pm

undefined wrote:An American Thinker column covered ORGANIZIANG FOR AMERICA (OFA's) reorganization, noting that many Democrat strategists seemed not only surprised, but also uncomfortable with the idea that Obama's massive campaign organization would not be folding back into the DNC as it did after the 2008 election. See here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/03/ofa_the_organizing_of_america.html
"With the news that Obama has overseen the NSA's secret collection of a huge database of information, while at the same time maintaining "close ties" to other organizations that operate massive databases dedicated to promoting his own policies, we should be alarmed at the potential such relationships could provide. Did we see but a hint of that potential in the recent actions of the IRS"

News Hawk Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:00 pm

If you voted this election season, President Obama almost certainly has a file on you. His vast campaign database includes information on voters’ magazine subscriptions, car registrations, housing values and hunting licenses, along with scores estimating how likely they were to cast ballots for his reelection. wrote:—Washington Post

News Hawk Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:08 pm

News Hawk wrote:Somebody find that definition of "shill", and repeat it here...

A scandal worse than Watergate - Page 2 94676348-jay-carney-600x3501

News Hawk Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:09 pm

News Buzzard Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:20 pm

And then we resort to silly pictures. How did I not see this coming?

News Buzzard Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:18 pm

General Dempsey: "No one was told to stand down."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/martin-dempsey-benghazi_n_3429388.html?ref=topbar

fshnski Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:33 pm

News Hawk wrote:

News Buzzard says ... "I don't see anything wrong"!

**WHL** Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:05 pm

Of course, the cities all voted for Obama. All the people that want government to take care of them voted for Obama. Thank God there are still some, who still want to take care of themselves.

News Hawk Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:28 pm

News Buzzard wrote:And then there are others who refer to Obama as a Marxist, communist, socialist, and sometimes even a Nazi! No racism there!

He's improved on all those Tyrants: the Stasi would be overwhelmed with admiration.

Personal trust crashed only 8 months into the Obama presidency (2009) when Team-Obama opened a web site called flag@whitehouse.gov. .

Remember?

scratch

The administration urged all to report any “fishy” behavior, e-mails, writings, blog entries, or publications that were critical of ObamaCare to the web site.

...how far we have come...

Sad

News Pigeon Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:19 pm

News Hawk wrote:Personal trust crashed only 8 months into the Obama presidency (2009) when Team-Obama opened a web site called flag@whitehouse.gov. .

The administration urged all to report any “fishy” behavior, e-mails, writings, blog entries, or publications that were critical of ObamaCare to the web site.

OMG...that's nothing but BS. The site was created as a response to all the lies the corporate-loving-righties spread about AHCA
see for yourselves... http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things

The “flag” service was introduced Aug. 4, with a White House blog post saying: “There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.”

NewsHawk, I see you're still quoting that blow-hard FTR.. Rolling Eyes

...geeez that guys an absolute loon!

News Hawk Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:48 am

undefined wrote:
News Buzzard

And then there are others who refer to Obama as a Marxist, communist, socialist, and sometimes even a Nazi! No racism there!

Marxist:

Karl Marx introduced the concept of "Redistribution"

Communist:

Really Bosheviks—arrogant evil murderers.

What other adminstration staffed "Czars"?

Socialist:

"I am not a Socialist".

"I am not a Dictator".

"I am not a Muslim".

Nazi:

Unclear as to the "Racist" part. scratch

In Mein Kampf, Hitler admired the Chinese, Finns, and Japanese, and declared them all "Honorary Aryans".

Nobody can hold a candle to Nazi arrogance, but "Arrogance" is featured on the cover of Obama's own "autobiography".

Outerlimits Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:20 am

News Pigeon wrote:
OMG...that's nothing but BS. The site was created as a response to all the lies the corporate-loving-righties spread about AHCA
see for yourselves... http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things

The “flag” service was introduced Aug. 4, with a White House blog post saying: “There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.”

Thanks Pigeon,

I just turned in my first political dissidents, and I have to admit, it felt GOOD. Very Happy

Here is what I sent them:

Dear White House Snitch Line,

I would like to bring to the White House’s attention a large source of disinformation on the healthcare reform legislation. These individuals have admitted that they did not read any of the proposed legislation, but have made promises and guarantees about Obamacare for years now and as it turns out, most of their statements are not true. Their names: Barack, Joe and Nancy along the rest of the boneheads that signed it into law.

Here is just a sample of the “fishy” things they have said:

No family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase.
Obamacare will cut the cost of your health insurance premiums by $2,500/year.
Obamacare will not increase the deficit.
If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor.
If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep it.
Obamacare will cost less than a trillion over the fist 10 years.

There are many, many more but…you get the idea.

Yours truly,

Outerlimits

News Pigeon Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:26 am

Glad I could help you ...it must feel good to get rid of some of that self-induced anger/rage
Now, I regret to inform you, the site was taken down long ago... Rolling Eyes

Outerlimits Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:31 am

I am positive, they now have a copy of my complaints.

Here are a few more:

Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self insure
Page 42: Healthcare Commissioner decides what benefits you will receive
Page 50: All non-citizens will receive free healthcare services
Page 58: Every citizen will receive a National ID Healthcard
Page 59: Government will have direct access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfers
Page 72: All private healthcare plans will conform to
government rules to participate in healthcare exchange Page 127: AMA sold physicians out – the government will eventually set wages
Page 145: Employer must auto-enroll employees into the public government run plan. No alternatives.
Page 149: Employer with payroll over $400K who doesn’t offer public option will be taxed 8%
Page 150: Employer with a payroll of $250K-400K who doesn’t offer public option will be taxed 2-6%
Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable healthcare will be taxed 2.5%
Page 195: All officers and employees of the Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to all American financial and personal records
Page 203: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. Yes, it really says that.
Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid, seniors, and the poor.
Page 241: Doctors, no matter what specialty you have, you will be paid the same
Page 253: Government sets the value of doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc
Page 265: Government mandates and will control productivity for private healthcare industries
Page 272: Cancer patients will receive rationing
Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions
Page 298: Doctors will be penalized if treating a patient that results in re-admission
Page 317: Doctors will be prevented from owning or investing in healthcare companies
Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion without government approval
Page 335: Government mandates establishment of out-come based measures
Page 341: Government will have the power to disqualify plans
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of special needs individuals
Page 425: Government will provide approved list of end-of-life treatment and appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time
Page 427: Government will dictate how your life ends
Page 430: Government decides level of treatment for end-of-life

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