Boehner Says No Immigration Bill Without Majority GOP Support

News Buzzard Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:19 pm

The conservatives are desperately trying to give the House back to the Democrats:

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/john-boehner-immigration-bill-majority-gop-support/story?id=19428149#.UcCVeI7D_3g

News Pigeon Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:05 pm

Carry on intransigents, it worked well for you in 2012....

Outerlimits Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:07 pm

It’s hard to believe how stupid politicians act when it comes to the future of the country. It appears that every policy they make seems to be some hair-brained idea, not based on common sense, or what it right for the future of the country, but is based on political correctness or their own reelection.

Case in point: immigration reform. Illegal aliens are breaking the law; they are not assimilating, and will likely never assimilate. What's more, it's obvious that they're unaware of current demographic realities in the southwest, and how illegal immigration has played into that. There is not another country on the planet that would willingly allow their sovereignty challenged and that includes Mexico Yet, both parties seem to pander to a group for what, votes, but is it really votes? Not for the Republican Party, as only thirty percent of Hispanics, tops, will ever vote for Republicans. They are a natural socialist block of people, as researched by PEW. I can see Democrats wanting a permanent underclass to manipulate, but why would we want this when it means that they are destroying the country in the process?

If our politicians had any common sense, they'd get tough on illegals. We'd construct a fence along the entire southern border or in the least up the patrols so that it was virtually impossible that anyone could sneak across the border. We'd also prohibit illegals from receiving any support or assistance, in addition to preventing them from working. We'd actually follow through with sanctions on employers who hire them. Take the carrot away.

Illegals take jobs from Americans. They use social services and bankrupt our hospitals. They are procreating at incredible rates, so that they overwhelm our schools. Most of all, however, they are turning our country into something the founders could not recognize. Yet, we have dumb politicians acting as though they should be given amnesty, claiming that we can't deport them. Yes, we can. We can deport every single one of them, if we had the will to do so. What's most important is protecting your homeland and ensuring a future for your people, not an alien bunch who proliferate crime and disrespect our sovereignty.

In terms of other dumb moves from politicians, they push socialized health care, when the country doesn't have the money for such a program. What are they thinking? Where is the money going to come from? Other than printing it, which will make our money even more worthless, there aren’t the funds for it. This is a recipe for economic disaster.

News Pigeon Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:11 pm

Native Americans consider you to be an illegal.....get over it, they're here to stay as long as corporate interests need their cheap labor!

Outerlimits Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:31 pm

News Pigeon wrote:Native Americans consider you to be an illegal

No they don't Pigeon and I don’t consider you a trespasser either.

So your best answer is…there is nothing that can be done. Now who is the gloomy one?

Seems to me the government has the power to enforce the law, yet they are not doing it. This not a left or right argument, it is right and wrong. Companies should be compelled by law not to hire undocumented workers. At one time, they did. The government has relaxed the laws. My employer was sued for discrimination for not hiring an illegal. Yes we won but it cost a small fortune to fight the charge.

**WHL** Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:39 pm

That's the problem. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. You have to keep secret someone's privacy, but you are required to check on them. Everyone I hire needs to prove to me that he/she is not an illegal alien. God forbid, you don't sign your name or date it or put your address on it or something. I have heard horror stories.

News Pigeon Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:57 pm

undefined wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:. Companies should be compelled by law not to hire undocumented workers. At one time, they did. The government has relaxed the laws.

You want to guess who relaxed those laws?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/washington/07immig.html?_r=0
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1482192/posts

Outerlimits Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:08 am

A guest worker program is hardly amnesty. But let’s not muddy the waters. The issue is illegal immigration and our government is not doing what is best for its citizens. Partisans on both sides will always point fingers. The direction you are pointing would not solve the problem; George W. Bush no longer is not in power. For somebody who hates George W. Bush why do you deploy the defense “Bush did it first”? 0bama and the democrats in the Senate have been in power long enough to make a positive change.

Every Righty on this forum has been critical of the Republicans and the previous administration. I have yet to see the same critical thinking from the left. Everything 0bama does is O.K. even when he continues & enhances policies the left despised under Bush.

“Let’s be clear…”

Neither side has had the political will to address the problem. Both sides are pandering. We should ONLY allow immigration reform that benefits the country not that benefits immigrants (legal or illegal). Politicians that want reform just to gain support of immigrants are not doing what is best for the country; they are doing what is best for them. It is no different than a police officer that accepts a bribe; at that point the police officer is no longer working to serve the public.

WE (left and right) should not tolerate this from our elected officials.

fshnski Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:59 am

Well said OL.

**WHL** Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:10 pm

Every Righty on this forum has been critical of the Republicans and the previous administration. I have yet to see the same critical thinking from the left. Everything 0bama does is O.K. even when he continues & enhances policies the left despised under Bush.

Outer, that was a great post, especially the above paragraph.

News Pigeon Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:17 pm

We should ONLY allow immigration reform that benefits the country not that benefits immigrants (legal or illegal).

It's simply not true that legalizing these immigrants would be harmful to us.

One study (by a former Heritage Foundation Economist) finds that immigration reform would raise the pace of economic growth by nearly a percentage point over the near term, raise GDP by $1.5 trillion in the ten years after enactment and reduce the cumulative federal deficit by over $2.5 trillion.

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fshnski Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:24 pm

Removed

Outerlimits Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:39 pm

News Pigeon wrote:It's simply not true that legalizing these immigrants would be harmful to us.

One study (by a former Heritage Foundation Economist) finds that immigration reform would raise the pace of economic growth by nearly a percentage point over the near term, raise GDP by $1.5 trillion in the ten years after enactment and reduce the cumulative federal deficit by over $2.5 trillion.

Sometimes it is good thing to look at both sides of the ledger. Your numbers look pretty good, but what is the cost?


There are studies out there that suggest that amnesty for current illegal aliens would receive 9.4 trillion in government benefits and services while paying only 3 trillion in taxes over their lifetimes. Keep in mind, most illegals are paying taxes now but are only entitled to limited services.


The true number of illegals may very well be close to 20 million. 11.5 million is only an estimate. We have don’t have enough jobs for Americans never mind jobs for an additional 11-20 million more.

Lets’ face it; the majority of illegals are from our southern boarder. Right now they are composed of mostly low skill/uneducated laborers and they make an average of $22,000 and have an average of 3 children. Citizenship means an automatic eligibility all the goodies the Democrats just love. Food stamps, Free Healthcare,WIC, school lunches, subsidized housing, Medicaid, free cell phones, SSDI, TANF cash, and SSI cash are just a few programs they will have access to.

On April 15th, when 53% of Americans are paying taxes, these new citizens would be getting huge bonus checks that include all the money that they paid in during the year, plus EITC and Child Tax Credits. The 53% cannot afford more burdens to pay for. We already have 40,000,000 home grown welfare cases that we have to support. We can’t push that number to 60 million.

I don’t care what your facts say, common sense says you are dead wrong and the vast majority of Americans don’t believe amnesty is a good idea.


Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a Pigeon. No matter how well you play chess, the pigeon just knocks over all the pieces, spews some unintelligible profanities, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.

News Pigeon Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:26 pm

undefined wrote:
Outerlimits wrote:I don’t care what your facts say, common sense says you are dead wrong and the vast majority of Americans don’t believe amnesty is a good idea.

Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a Pigeon. No matter how well you play chess, the pigeon just knocks over all the pieces, spews some unintelligible profanities, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.

Nice...when you say crap like this, you effectively end all civil conversation....you lose credibility!!!!

News Buzzard Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:27 pm

First of all, your comment at the end wasn't very nice, Outerlimits, and the study you refer to sounds familiar to the one that was done by the Heritage Foundation. ($9.4 trillion out and $3 trillion in) Many Republicans even questioned the veracity of that report, not just the Democrats.

Also, criticism of the Bush Administration on this forum has been minimal by right leaning minds, and in fact you couldn't wait fast enough to start blaming Obama for everything. The mistakes of the Bush administration will stay with us for several generations! (See Afghanistan, Iraq and the Great Recession, among other things.) I might also remind you that the American people didn't buy what the Republicans have been selling for the last 2 presidential elections, and there are only a handful of Republicans who admit so.

Senator Lindsey Graham, conservative Republican, said on Meet the Press, only last Sunday, that if this immigration bill fails, the Republicans are doomed! (not my words, but his)

News Pigeon Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:30 pm

Thanks News Buzz, I was just about to post the link for that phony HF report, you saved me the trouble of once again proving these claims to be lies.

News Buzzard Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:37 pm

Sure thing, News Pigeon, and I wouldn't mind seeing that link if you still have it ready to go.

News Pigeon Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:06 pm

There are several, I'll post a few....

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/12/3394161/marc-caputo-heritage-foundations.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raul-a-reyes/heritage-foundation-immigration_b_3340320.html

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/05/14/heritage-foundation-immigration-study-backfires/
Last week, when the Heritage Foundation released its cost-estimate of the immigration bill currently being marked-up in Congress, it aimed in part to highlight the flaws in the reform, claiming it would cost taxpayers $6.3 trillion. Instead, the Heritage Foundation drew attention to its own flaws.
The report had already been discredited by many conservatives when the Washington Post revealed that one of the report’s co-authors, Jason Richwine, had written a doctoral thesis at Harvard University in which he argued that Hispanic immigrants have lower IQ’s than whites.
Richwine resigned from the Heritage Foundation on Friday, but the think tank did little to temper the flames of the controversy, issuing a statement which said: “It is our longstanding policy not to discuss internal personnel matters.

News Buzzard Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:51 pm

Thanks, News Pigeon!

News Pigeon Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:55 pm

De Nada...it's a pleasure to converse w/ an adult....

Outerlimits Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:43 pm

I have to admit; I read your posts before the Bruins game and didn’t stop laughing until the Blackhawks scored the first goal.

My comment was not very nice…I guess…but it was completely accurate:lol:

I say your so called “facts” are wrong because they don’t pass the sniff test. You two call one of my facts into question, toss the board over, take a dump on the forum and declare victory while doing virtual high-five with a fellow like-thinking member.

Forget these so called expert opinions you two love to quote. Forget about the national media talking points. Think on you own for a moment, after all, you are the self proclaimed adults in the room.

How can adding 11 to 20 million uneducated low skilled laborers help this economy?

What will these new Americans do to the employment market?

How much will they really add to GDP (keep in mind, they are already here)?

How much additional revenue in taxes they provide? (they are paying taxes now, but not getting IRS refunds so it is more than reasonable to believe it will be a big negative number)

Considering most of them are below the poverty line, what will this do to our welfare programs?

How much will this cost taxpayers to identify and background check 11-20 million people?

What would be the impact to our healthcare system?

What would be the impact on our education system?

Now think about the ramifications 5,10 20 years down the road. We do not have a secure boarder and no real plan to change that. Do you think if they give amnesty to the current batch of illegals that there won’t be a whole new batch?

What about the families of these illegals…as American citizens they would then have the right to bring in the rest of their families. How many more would that be?


Do you really need to listen to politicians and read opinion pages to understand this? It is simple common sense, giving amnesty to tens of millions will be devastating to this country?

Buzzard, Lindsey Graham is part of the problem. Two birds with one stone.

News Hawk Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:00 pm

What does this bill do for the nation?

Cool

As for the self-proclaimed "adults" pooping on our forum—they will eventually see the error of their ways.

Note the truth spoken by an American Patriot—who spoke without moderation:

"Time makes more converts than reason."
― Thomas Paine,

**WHL** Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:27 pm

Common sense is something liberals don't have, Outer. They have nice dreams but don't live in reality. It would be nice if everybody in this country could be billionaires and not have to work and do whatever they want. But those with common sense know it won't happen, so we become the sticks in the mud. We burst their bubble.

NH, you are more optimistic than I. I don't think they will ever see the error of their ways.

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