Who Could Support Obamacare after This Revelation?

Outerlimits wrote:Obama has got all his sheep parroting his Marxist class warfare rhetoric.

Is Marxism preceded by Gruberism?




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Awwwwww....doesn't hatred feel good???? It must get you people's blood flowing every day, huh??!
I must caution you, this level of sustained acrimony can be detrimental to your health.

News Buzzard wrote:Marxist rhetoric, my a$$! If the federal budget didn't go up 89% on Bush's watch, we'd be better off!

If Bush didn't cut taxes to the tune of $400 billion a year in lost revenue, we'd be better off!

If Bush didn't start 2 atrocious wars, which he couldn't finish, to the tune of trillions, we'd be better off!

If Bush did a better job with the economy, instead of a near collapse, we'd be better off!

And now the Republican nitwits talk as if they had no fault with our near collapse, and they throw out idiotic terms like Marxism and Socialism because they're too cheap to pay another dime in taxes to pay for all of Bush's mistakes.
Guess what; there will be no grand bargain, there will be no cuts to social programs and there will be no repeal of Obamacare, so keep whining like a little child. That's all you know how to do!! What a joke!!

I knew you couldn’t help but drag George W. Bush into this at some point. Nobody but the extreme left believes any of those lies anymore.


The problem with the Democrat Party agenda is that they failed at implementing it and what they did get done failed miserably. Americans are sympathetic to the emotional attraction of using government to help people. However, the total incompetence and ineptitude of the Obama administration and the Democrats at making government work has been on full display for six years.

Good intentions don't equal good results and in the case of Obamacare, the VA, the IRS, the bailouts, etc., liberal good intentions have actually resulted in real harm to the American people.

The electorate is hungry for a smaller federal government, which means more power in the hands of states and municipalities. The 2014 midterm election was a victory for federalism above all else, as well as a gigantic repudiation of big government liberal statism.

News Buzzard wrote:"...One bout of cancer will head well north of $1 million..."

Not to worry...Progressives have found the answer in Death Panels...  

News Buzzard wrote:"...If you live a normal life cycle you'll pull a lot more money out of those programs after retirement..."

A normal life cycle?

Progressives consider the American people insects?

News Hawk
remember they have "Death Panels

Obervantone
From Kaiser Health Network regarding the Death Panels that were the norm before Obamacare ended them:
The data show that denial rates routinely exceed 20 percent and often are much higher, according to a KHN review of 20 of the most populous states and the District of Columbia

Again from News Hawk

News Buzzard wrote:
"...One bout of cancer will head well north of $1 million

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Not to worry...Progressives have found the answer in Death Panels

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Why should the decision of whether an illness should be treated be left to doctors when the insurance companies are so good at denying coverage now....see death panels already exist News Hawk so nothing to worry about, you will, at some point, probably have to deal with them....

Outerlimits wrote:The electorate is hungry for a smaller federal government, which means more power in the hands of states and municipalities. The 2014 midterm election was a victory for federalism above all else, as well as a gigantic repudiation of big government liberal statism.

Unless of course we want to shove the Keystone Pipeline down Nebraska's throat!!

What an interesting concept that we should have a smaller federal government, except of course a 3/4 trillion dollar military budget! What about state militias?

I knew the conservatives would one day attempt to re-write history: Bush didn't preside over 9/11, he didn't start those wars, he didn't preside over the worst downturn since the Great Depression, he didn't cut annual revenue by $400 billion and he didn't turn a balanced budget into a $1.4 trillion deficit with further debt piling up! He never did those things, it wasn't him, Bush who??

Mandate? In your dreams!!

News Buzzard wrote:I knew the conservatives would one day attempt to re-write history: Bush didn't preside over 9/11, he didn't start those wars, he didn't preside over the worst downturn since the Great Depression, he didn't cut annual revenue by $400 billion and he didn't turn a balanced budget into a $1.4 trillion deficit with further debt piling up! He never did those things, it wasn't him, Bush who??

Mandate? In your dreams!!

I would prefer all the Democrats remain in denial about the midterms. Please, by all means keep thinking it was a turnout thing (it wasn't, as midterm history shows going back 60 years), or it was a spending thing (it wasn't, since the majority of races where a Republican beat a Democrat incumbent, the Democrat outspent the Republican), or it was a right message/wrong candidate thing (it wasn't, since exit polls prove that it was a "we hate the Democrat/Obama message" thing).

By all means, perpetuate this delusion, walk it all the way to 2016 so the party can take another stout beating.

In this election, the Republicans finally, shut up for the most part and just let the Democrats and their Dear Leader do most of the talking. For their part, most GOP candidates did little else besides point to the Democrat, tie them to Obama and then say "listen to what he said this time" over and over and over. That was the GOP campaign - listen to the Democrats' own words, get nice and scared by what those words are saying, and then vote for me instead of those scary Democrats.

If the Democrats persist in their delusion, and the GOP persists in the strategy (since Obama continues to stoke the flames) of letting the Democrats not only be delusional, but also campaigning on "listen to that delusional Democrat, scared yet?" strategies, the GOP President in Jan 2017 might be looking at a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and a veto proof majority in the House.

I am no big fan of one party controlling all the levers, believe me, but I am a fan of how the Democrats and the mainstream media react when the Democrats get beat down in elections. The hand wringing and whining is funny to me, and if I have to be subject to tyranny, watching them cry like sissies now and then is kinda nice.

So by all means keep down-playing the results of the election.

You really should take a look at reality here. This mid-term had Democrats in Red states (elected in 2008) defending their seats. In 2016 some 20 Republican senators, elected in the Tea Party wave of 2010, will be defending their seats. So tell me, how long do you think the Republican majority in the Senate will last?

Another reality check: Does the Republican party in the Senate have a filibuster proof majority? Answer: No

Another reality check: Does the Republican party have a veto proof 2/3 majority in either chamber? Answer: No

Another reality check: You have both chambers now and nothing will get done over the next 2 years. Who will take the blame?

Another reality check: Who do you have to beat Hillary?  

Another reality check: What can you do to stop Obama's immigration order? Answer: Nothing!

Keep blowing that hot gas! You might heat a couple of homes downwind!

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.

It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.

The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth.

This very kindness stings with intolerable insult.

To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

C.S. Lewis

The House Oversight Committee is asking embattled former ObamaCare consultant Jonathan Gruber to testify at a hearing next month on the “transparency failures” of the administration’s healthcare law.

Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) sent a letter to Gruber on Thursday, about two weeks after videos surfaced in which the Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor suggested that a "lack of transparency" and the "stupidity of the American voter" helped Congress pass the Affordable Care Act.

The chairman also invited Marilyn Tavenner, head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), whose own investigation found the Obama administration had inflated its enrollment numbers by about 400,000 people, helping to lift it past the much-touted 7 million goal. “The American people deserve honesty, transparency and respect from those who forced the federal government into their healthcare,” wrote Issa in a statement Friday.

“I expect Mr. Gruber and Administrator Tavenner to testify publicly next month about the arrogance and deceptions surrounding the passage and implementation of ObamaCare,” he added.

The hearing will take place Dec. 9, the last week of the lame-duck Congress, in what would likely be the outgoing chairman’s last Oversight hearing.

When the committee’s findings on the misreported ObamaCare enrollment numbers were made public Thursday, Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell said the error was unintentional.

But Issa remained deeply suspicious and said in a statement: “The claim that this was only accident stretches credulity.”
thehill.com

Something tells me this won't get reported by the "Drive-By Media".




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News Buzzard wrote:You really should take a look at reality here. This mid-term had Democrats in Red states (elected in 2008) defending their seats. In 2016 some 20 Republican senators, elected in the Tea Party wave of 2010, will be defending their seats. So tell me, how long do you think the Republican majority in the Senate will last?!

That all depends on how strongly the Democrats cling to their failed agenda of big government, big handouts, big obstruction and big power grabs.

If we see more of what we saw last night, the pendulum could swing harder and harder to the right over the next two years. Maybe it will swing as hard to the right as it swung to the left in 2008.

Of course neither extreme is good for the country. But you keep believing that the losses the Democrats have taken are nothing to be concerned with.

Outerlimits wrote:Of course neither extreme is good for the country. But you keep believing that the losses the Democrats have taken are nothing to be concerned with.

That's right!

That's right x two...

Outerlimits wrote:Of course neither extreme is good for the country. But you keep believing that the losses the Democrats have taken are nothing to be concerned with.

'Can't wait to see the anguish ahead!




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Outerlimits wrote:

News Buzzard wrote:You really should take a look at reality here. This mid-term had Democrats in Red states (elected in 2008) defending their seats. In 2016 some 20 Republican senators, elected in the Tea Party wave of 2010, will be defending their seats. So tell me, how long do you think the Republican majority in the Senate will last?!

That all depends on how strongly the Democrats cling to their failed agenda of big government, big handouts, big obstruction and big power grabs.

If we see more of what we saw last night, the pendulum could swing harder and harder to the right over the next two years.  Maybe it will swing as hard to the right as it swung to the left in 2008.  

Ya think?






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[Gov.] Miller said:
“As the Governor and I have said, the comments by Mr. Gruber are offensive, inappropriate and do not reflect the thinking of this administration or how we do things in Vermont.”

He added: “As we have also said, we need solid economic modeling in order to move forward with health care reform.” Watchdog also pointed out that Gruber has contracts with the federal government in at least eight states totaling about $6 million.

On Thursday, state Auditor Beth Reid (D-North Carolina) terminated a contract with Gruber in which he agreed to analyze the state’s Community Care of North Carolina program. This specific program provides managed care to the poor and disabled, as noted by The Washington Post. Bill Holmes, a spokesman for Reid, told WRAL: “We can’t use you on a project where you have a bias or where people might even think you have a bias.”

Gruber was hired as a consultant on November 4, 2013, just one month after he made his “stupidity of the American voter” comment in Pennsylvania. He was paid $100,000 from a $400,000 contract.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/gruber-contracts-terminated-vermont-north-carolina/#hTi5xXR3chLVZx8k.99

Yup, and those "Stupid voters" voted for The One
twice!




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obervantone wrote:WHL
I would recommend against the use of a Gallup Poll as the basis for your argument.

Speaking of Gallup—their history:

Poll: Americans Reject Obama's Unlimited Government


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For the first time since Gallup has conducted polling, people say that the "biggest problem" in America is "the government." It topped all other categories, including terrorism. "2014 was the first year ever in Gallup records that dissatisfaction with government topped the list," the 80-year-old firm said.

"Government includes dissatisfaction with President Obama." And angst over government has been climbing each year since 2009, when Obama took office, breaking a long period of relative satisfaction with government. Beyond Obama, Americans are rejecting what the Left is selling — the idea that government should determine our fate.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/010515-733278-gallup-poll-confirms-that-americans-reject-obama-unlimited-government.htm

About time...




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Yep...and there are a LOT of them.



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The Dems know how to play the "stupid American voters". Too bad the Repubs couldn't figure it out. Although looking at Boehner and McConnell, I am beginning to think it doesn't matter much.