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No, I certainly believe you were not.
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How come Reid and the other left wing demigods who voted for Obamacare without reading it, are exempting themselves from this onerous law?
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Prove that statement please.fshnski wrote:How come Reid and the other left wing demigods who voted for Obamacare without reading it, are exempting themselves from this onerous law?
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A little help...Casy wrote:Prove that statement please.
The proposal — outlawing any special exemptions for government employees — would mean all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies. Some critics say those subsidies amount to special treatment. The Obamacare health insurance exchange opens Oct 1.
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Is that Paul's proposal you quoted, fsh?
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I thought so.
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I am willing to believe that most people in this country have no idea this is starting Oct. 1. I also am willing to believe that they don't even know what the exchange is and what they are supposed to do. There is so little information being put out about it that you can't blame them.
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There is no better way to make a federal law unpopular than to have Congress exempt itself from its provisions. No wonder then reports that Congress has exempted themselves and their staffs from the Affordable Care Act - Obamacare - is further eroding support for the law aimed at making sure all Americans have access to health care insurance.
However, the claim, while constructed on some shred of truth, is false. It is symbolic of what is wrong with Washington. It is a strategy meant to confuse and divert attention from the real issue. It is a substitute for engaging in genuine debate. The intent is to anger, rather than inform the public.
It is also perhaps the last resort of a cohort of Republicans in Congress who are moving toward the unprecedented step of trying to force the repeal of an enacted law by threatening to shut down the government or take the United States into default or both.
In other words, it is an act of blackmail. Agree to defund the Affordable Care Act or face the prospects of a government shutdown and a default that shakes the markets and damages the economy.
Sensible Republicans know this will not work. They recognize the ransom will not be paid. President Obama and the Democrats, who control the Senate, will not surrender on the president's signature piece of legislation. Republicans will rightfully end up with the blame if these tactics force a crisis.
So having botched the politics, Republicans turn to the canard that Congress is exempting itself. No less than the Wall Street Journal, recognizing the shutdown-government strategy amounts to a circular firing squad, urged on its editorial pages that the GOP refocus on the congressional "carve-out."
How did things get to this confused point? They got here because a Republican senator baited Democrats with a politically motivated amendment. During the health care debate back in 2009, Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley offered an amendment that congressional representatives and their staffs would have to get their insurance through the health insurance exchanges.
This made little sense because the intent of the exchanges is to provide a means for individuals and small companies to access affordable health insurance. Larger employers who provide health insurance and their workers will not participate.
The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program covers lawmakers and their staffs. There is no reason for them to be part of the exchange, but for the Grassley amendment. His expectation was that Democrats would oppose the amendment, giving Republicans a chance to make the charge of refusing to treat themselves and their staffs the same as anyone else.
However, the Democrats called his bluff and enacted it.
This brings us to the present discussion. The exchanges are readying to open. Barring a change, Congressmen and staff workers will utilize the exchanges to purchase insurance. Yet what about the $5,000 to $11,000 annually the government contributes to their health insurance premiums? Do they lose those because they have to utilize the exchanges, unlike workers for any other large employers?
The Office of Personnel Management, which administers the federal insurance program, said no, ruling that the federal government should continue to make contributions toward the premiums of lawmakers and their staffs on the exchanges.
This is the "special treatment," the "exemption" that is the focus of the latest attacks. It ignores the fact that because of political game playing the law is forcing congressional staff workers and their families onto the exchanges, unlike all other workers in similar situations. They will keep the premium subsidies but could well end up with inferior plans.
There is no exemption, but that is not likely to stop the political attacks or the myth.
However, the claim, while constructed on some shred of truth, is false. It is symbolic of what is wrong with Washington. It is a strategy meant to confuse and divert attention from the real issue. It is a substitute for engaging in genuine debate. The intent is to anger, rather than inform the public.
It is also perhaps the last resort of a cohort of Republicans in Congress who are moving toward the unprecedented step of trying to force the repeal of an enacted law by threatening to shut down the government or take the United States into default or both.
In other words, it is an act of blackmail. Agree to defund the Affordable Care Act or face the prospects of a government shutdown and a default that shakes the markets and damages the economy.
Sensible Republicans know this will not work. They recognize the ransom will not be paid. President Obama and the Democrats, who control the Senate, will not surrender on the president's signature piece of legislation. Republicans will rightfully end up with the blame if these tactics force a crisis.
So having botched the politics, Republicans turn to the canard that Congress is exempting itself. No less than the Wall Street Journal, recognizing the shutdown-government strategy amounts to a circular firing squad, urged on its editorial pages that the GOP refocus on the congressional "carve-out."
How did things get to this confused point? They got here because a Republican senator baited Democrats with a politically motivated amendment. During the health care debate back in 2009, Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley offered an amendment that congressional representatives and their staffs would have to get their insurance through the health insurance exchanges.
This made little sense because the intent of the exchanges is to provide a means for individuals and small companies to access affordable health insurance. Larger employers who provide health insurance and their workers will not participate.
The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program covers lawmakers and their staffs. There is no reason for them to be part of the exchange, but for the Grassley amendment. His expectation was that Democrats would oppose the amendment, giving Republicans a chance to make the charge of refusing to treat themselves and their staffs the same as anyone else.
However, the Democrats called his bluff and enacted it.
This brings us to the present discussion. The exchanges are readying to open. Barring a change, Congressmen and staff workers will utilize the exchanges to purchase insurance. Yet what about the $5,000 to $11,000 annually the government contributes to their health insurance premiums? Do they lose those because they have to utilize the exchanges, unlike workers for any other large employers?
The Office of Personnel Management, which administers the federal insurance program, said no, ruling that the federal government should continue to make contributions toward the premiums of lawmakers and their staffs on the exchanges.
This is the "special treatment," the "exemption" that is the focus of the latest attacks. It ignores the fact that because of political game playing the law is forcing congressional staff workers and their families onto the exchanges, unlike all other workers in similar situations. They will keep the premium subsidies but could well end up with inferior plans.
There is no exemption, but that is not likely to stop the political attacks or the myth.
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Snore
You must have gone to writing school last night.
You must have gone to writing school last night.
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fshnski wrote:Snore
You must have gone to writing school last night.
Obama exempted Congress a while ago, I believe, so you can't say that they are just doing it in the last few days to make the bill unpopular.
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Maybe you should take a class in reading comprehension. Nah, don't waste your time, you'd just probably "Snore" through the whole class anyway.fshnski wrote:Snore
You must have gone to writing school last night.
BTW, comprehension means: "the action or capability of understanding something"...I repeat, "the action or capability of understanding something"...I repeat, "the action or capability of understanding something"...I repeat, "the action or capability of understanding something"...
Do you get it????? Probably not.
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I always remember being told by a teacher to never write more than you need to. You lose your reader the longer it gets. Write only enough to get your point across. And isn't that true of listening to speakers, too? Sometimes you just want to poke them and tell them to get to the point.
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Sorta like what Cruz is doing right now. Yak, Yak, Yak..and saying nothing.WHL wrote:I always remember being told by a teacher to never write more than you need to. You lose your reader the longer it gets. Write only enough to get your point across. And isn't that true of listening to speakers, too? Sometimes you just want to poke them and tell them to get to the point.
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Now you are back to your rude self.Casy wrote:Maybe you should take a class in reading comprehension. Nah, don't waste your time, you'd just probably "Snore" through the whole class anyway.fshnski wrote:Snore
You must have gone to writing school last night.
BTW, comprehension means: "the action or capability of understanding something"...I repeat, "the action or capability of understanding something"...I repeat, "the action or capability of understanding something"...I repeat, "the action or capability of understanding something"...
Do you get it????? Probably not.
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Isn't that what filibusters are all about? Yak, yak, yak?
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fshnski wrote:Snore
You must have gone to writing school last night.
No—it is right-wingers who "cut-and-paste" their responses
Casy wrote:There is no better way to make a federal law unpopular than to have Congress exempt itself from its provisions. No wonder then reports that Congress has exempted themselves and their staffs from the Affordable Care Act - Obamacare - is further eroding support for the law aimed at making sure all Americans have access to health care insurance.
However, the claim, while constructed on some shred of truth, is false. It is symbolic of what is wrong with Washington. It is a strategy meant to confuse and divert attention from the real issue. It is a substitute for engaging in genuine debate. The intent is to anger, rather than inform the public.
It is also perhaps the last resort of a cohort of Republicans in Congress who are moving toward the unprecedented step of trying to force the repeal of an enacted law by threatening to shut down the government or take the United States into default or both.
In other words, it is an act of blackmail. Agree to defund the Affordable Care Act or face the prospects of a government shutdown and a default that shakes the markets and damages the economy.
Sensible Republicans know this will not work. They recognize the ransom will not be paid. President Obama and the Democrats, who control the Senate, will not surrender on the president's signature piece of legislation. Republicans will rightfully end up with the blame if these tactics force a crisis.
So having botched the politics, Republicans turn to the canard that Congress is exempting itself. No less than the Wall Street Journal, recognizing the shutdown-government strategy amounts to a circular firing squad, urged on its editorial pages that the GOP refocus on the congressional "carve-out."
How did things get to this confused point? They got here because a Republican senator baited Democrats with a politically motivated amendment. During the health care debate back in 2009, Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley offered an amendment that congressional representatives and their staffs would have to get their insurance through the health insurance exchanges.
This made little sense because the intent of the exchanges is to provide a means for individuals and small companies to access affordable health insurance. Larger employers who provide health insurance and their workers will not participate.
The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program covers lawmakers and their staffs. There is no reason for them to be part of the exchange, but for the Grassley amendment. His expectation was that Democrats would oppose the amendment, giving Republicans a chance to make the charge of refusing to treat themselves and their staffs the same as anyone else.
However, the Democrats called his bluff and enacted it.
This brings us to the present discussion. The exchanges are readying to open. Barring a change, Congressmen and staff workers will utilize the exchanges to purchase insurance. Yet what about the $5,000 to $11,000 annually the government contributes to their health insurance premiums? Do they lose those because they have to utilize the exchanges, unlike workers for any other large employers?
The Office of Personnel Management, which administers the federal insurance program, said no, ruling that the federal government should continue to make contributions toward the premiums of lawmakers and their staffs on the exchanges.
This is the "special treatment," the "exemption" that is the focus of the latest attacks. It ignores the fact that because of political game playing the law is forcing congressional staff workers and their families onto the exchanges, unlike all other workers in similar situations. They will keep the premium subsidies but could well end up with inferior plans.
There is no exemption, but that is not likely to stop the political attacks or the myth."
http://www.theday.com/article/20130924/OP01/309249978/1070/FRONTPAGE
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What a plagiaristic propriospect hypocrite.
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BOO!!!fshnski wrote:What a plagiaristic propriospect hypocrite.
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Pretty serious breach of posting etiquette, to post somebody else's work as your own.
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Law School, Biden, Plagiarist...
fshnski wrote:What a plagiaristic propriospect hypocrite.
Other allegations of past law school plagiarism and exaggerating his academic record soon followed. Biden withdrew from the race later that month.
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Cruz keeps going and going ...
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“If Obamacare is going to force Americans all over this country to lose their employer-provided health insurance, be forced onto the exchange with no subsidies, then the men and women who serve in this body should feel that pain exactly the same,” said Sen. Ted Cruz, who on Tuesday staged a filibuster to block the chamber floor and draw attention to his fight to defund the health law.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/25/internal-senate-email-warns-lawmakers-not-sign-oba/#ixzz2fuCIcdm7
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Internal Senate email warns lawmakers not to sign up for Obamacare yet
The Senate this week warned lawmakers and their staff not to sign up for Obamacare’s health exchanges, saying that the administration hasn’t yet finalized the rules for how to keep paying for their premiums.
“Members and staff are advised that they should delay enrolling in health insurance plans until we are able to offer further guidance as to how they should enroll in these insurance plans for 2014,” the Senate disbursing office said in an email to staffers Monday. “Premature enrollment could adversely impact eligibility for the employer premium contribution.”
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“Members and staff are advised that they should delay enrolling in health insurance plans until we are able to offer further guidance as to how they should enroll in these insurance plans for 2014,” the Senate disbursing office said in an email to staffers Monday. “Premature enrollment could adversely impact eligibility for the employer premium contribution.”
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/25/internal-senate-email-warns-lawmakers-not-sign-oba/#ixzz2fuMCRzQA
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Back to Obamacare....
A famous bank robber, when finally caught, was asked why he kept robbing bank after bank. He replied, "Because that's where the money is!" Obamacare is based on the same reasoning.
Obamacare Health Insurance Rates are based on Income.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...s_ib_final.pdf
Pre-Obamacare, health insurance premiums were based upon level of care and level of risk. In other words, free market rates (at least as free as possible under the laws).
Obamacare rates are based upon how much money you make. Imagine going to buy home insurance and you found your rates are based on how much you make not the cost to replace the home or risk factors? Obamacare is a massive tax increase on the middle class which has been poorly disguised as a socially responsible law.
A famous bank robber, when finally caught, was asked why he kept robbing bank after bank. He replied, "Because that's where the money is!" Obamacare is based on the same reasoning.
Obamacare Health Insurance Rates are based on Income.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...s_ib_final.pdf
Pre-Obamacare, health insurance premiums were based upon level of care and level of risk. In other words, free market rates (at least as free as possible under the laws).
Obamacare rates are based upon how much money you make. Imagine going to buy home insurance and you found your rates are based on how much you make not the cost to replace the home or risk factors? Obamacare is a massive tax increase on the middle class which has been poorly disguised as a socially responsible law.
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It is, it is a massive tax, Outer, on both the wealthy and the middle class.
I heard Rush on the radio on the way home for lunch and he said that depending on the pole 12 (I think) to 26% think that Obamacare is a good thing. That's not many people!!!! Yet the Dems. keep on protecting it.
I heard Rush on the radio on the way home for lunch and he said that depending on the pole 12 (I think) to 26% think that Obamacare is a good thing. That's not many people!!!! Yet the Dems. keep on protecting it.
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