Senate Report On CIA Torture

News Hawk wrote:

WHL wrote:What is up with talking about this waterboarding  stuff again?  I think it is a diversion for something.

Thirteen years ago, nobody was outraged at ANY means to prevent another fatality from Islamist attacks on American citizens.

Those with family members as victims would not have asked for less.  






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red_hill wrote:

News Buzzard wrote:The most horrifying thing about that picture was the total incompetence of the Bush Administration to stop it, after repeated warnings. The torture produced nothing despite all of the lies by Dick Cheney!

You really are joking, right? Clinton had ample opportunities to take OBL out. Each time his response was to willy nilly lob a cruise missile into some cave. Bush had opportunities. Everyone underestimated ElShitheads ability to attack us here as they did. Everyone. Hindsight is 20/20 and then some.

obervantone wrote:Exactly...Clinton/Obama are to blame for Bush's incompetence...everyone knows that!

News Buzzard wrote:There were a great deal of logistical problems with that sighting in Afghanistan, including the time it would have taken to mount an attack, so I'm not buying any fault on Clinton's part. Bush was the president and his office got over 60 warnings that al Qaeda was planning an attack, so there is no doubt in my mind that Bush takes the blame for allowing 9/11 to happen. The botched invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq only furthered the debacle of the Bush Administration. Fully half of the $1.1 trillion in the budget bill they're about to pass is going to the Pentagon, so it appears that Eisenhower was right when he said that we were becoming a Military Industrial Complex! We will become a nation with a bloated military budget and senior citizens living on the side of what used to be Eisenhower's great interstate highway system.

obervantone wrote:Exactly...Clinton/Obama are to blame for Bush's incompetence...everyone knows that!

red_hill wrote:So, you are not believing Bill Clinton either?

News Buzzard wrote:

I don't believe in a government that is almost entirely military, and that's what Paul Ryan and the rest of the conservatives are selling. If they want a bloated military, then they should raise taxes to pay for it and leave the rest of the social programs alone.

News Buzzard wrote:The most horrifying thing about that picture was the total incompetence of the Bush Administration to stop it, after repeated warnings. The torture produced nothing despite all of the lies by Dick Cheney!

LEADERS NEVER DIVIDE THEIR PEOPLE. CONQUERORS DO. This has been the most divisive administration in the history of the United States.

Seven CIA directors have now refuted the assertion that no useful information was gained from the enhanced interrogation methods

WASHINGTON (AP) — When the CIA set out to design a program to elicit intelligence from captured terrorists, it turned to two former Air Force psychologists with no practical interrogation experience and no specialized knowledge of al-Qaida, according to a Senate investigation released this week.

What the two men did have was an understanding of the brutal methods used by governments such as North Korea and Vietnam to help train U.S. soldiers and airmen to resist torture.

The spy agency ended up outsourcing much of its interrogation program to the pair, who formed a company that ultimately was paid $81 million, the Senate report says. It adds new details to what has long been known about the integral role the two psychologists played in some of the harshest treatment of CIA detainees.

The report refers to the men using pseudonyms, Grayson Swigart and Hammond Dunbar. But current and former U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity about information that is not public, have identified them as James E. Mitchell and Bruce Jessen.

News Buzzard wrote:What's really moronic is not assigning any blame to the Commander-In-Chief on watch during the terrorist attack, especially when he whiffed on sixty something warnings! What would you expect 7 former CIA Directors to say?? They are just about as believable as Cheney!!

News Pigeon wrote:

LEADERS NEVER DIVIDE THEIR PEOPLE. CONQUERORS DO. This has been the most divisive administration in the history of the United States.

Aren't you just a little tired of defending that lie?:

Brennan, himself, said it was questionable  if torture (and it is torture, so lets call it what it is) provided useful info...

Outerlimits wrote:

News Buzzard wrote:What's really moronic is not assigning any blame to the Commander-In-Chief on watch during the terrorist attack, especially when he whiffed on sixty something warnings! What would you expect 7 former CIA Directors to say?? They are just about as believable as Cheney!!

Nobody but batsh!t crazy progressives believes this nonsense.  I don’t even believe you do, but you can’t help but take a shot at Bush.  

Brennan stated that the CIA takes no position on whether the enhanced I interrogation tactics themselves led detainees to cooperate, there is no doubt that detainees subjected to the treatment offered "useful and valuable" information afterward.

Now if you want to twist it and say it was a coincidence they gave it up afterwards or they might have been able to get the same information by taking the terrorist to Starbucks and sharing a latte with them, I guess it is possible, but not really likely.

Nobody but batsh!t crazy progressives believes this nonsense.

Outerlimits wrote:"...I believe this country is more divided then it’s been in a very long time. It is impossible to refute this fact, but keep on trying..."

But Senator Diane Feinstein, ignoring the ‘law of unintended consequences’, and with the encouragement and full support of the Obama White House and one Republican useful idiot, pushed forward with releasing this report with little regard for the potential violent repercussions expected around the Muslim world

Outerlimits wrote:"...Brennan, himself, said it was questionable  if torture (and it is torture, so lets call it what it is) provided useful info..."

"...Guandolo said, "Mr. Brennan did convert to Islam when he served in an official capacity on the behalf of the United States in Saudi Arabia.

But it's worse than a mere conversion to Islam. Guandolo expounded, "That fact alone is not what is most disturbing. His conversion to Islam was the culmination of a counterintelligence operation against him to recruit him. The fact that foreign intelligence service operatives recruited Mr. Brennan when he was in a very sensitive and senior U.S. government position in a foreign country means that he either a traitor … [or] he has the inability to discern and understand how to walk in those kinds of environments, which makes him completely unfit to the be the director of Central Intelligence."

Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/09/john-brennan-obamas-muslim-convert-stooge-jihad/#ykPhVyiqIHgbWRQH.99

Other prominent people accused of secretly being Muslim include former New York Rep. Anthony Weiner—who is Jewish—and the United Kingdom's Prince Charles, who will preside over the Church of England if he succeeds his mother to the throne

Here’s what Emerson said at 9:20 this morning on C-SPAN, citing “confidential information:”

EMERSON: I have been given privy to certain classified information, it appears that it was a political act of terrorism done for political reasons. Yes, there has been no person arrested. There have been people interrogated. Not just in one house, but raids on several houses. On the Facebook page of the person of interest, there were interesting entries against the United States. Again, he has not been convicted, but the burns on his skin match the explosive residue of the bomb that exploded.

HOST: Is this the Saudi national or those two different people?

EMERSON: The Saudi national.

News Buzzard wrote:What's really moronic is not assigning any blame to the Commander-In-Chief on watch during the terrorist attack, especially when he whiffed on sixty something warnings! What would you expect 7 former CIA Directors to say?? They are just about as believable as Cheney!!

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Democrats' Wasteful Torture Report

The recent release of a Senate report commissioned by Democrats regarding torture of terrorism suspects in order to obtain vital information was a waste of $40 million of taxpayer money.

It already had been documented extensively that three suspects were waterboarded and that sleep deprivation and other such techniques were used to extract vital information from terrorists. Though the report says otherwise, that information played a part in the apprehension or annihilation of many upper-echelon terrorist leaders, including Osama bin Laden. The high-profile release of this information at a time when we are engaged in war with various terrorist groups demonstrates a profound lack of wisdom because this information will undoubtedly be used as an effective recruitment tool by our enemies.

Some of the people responsible for the release of this report have publicly acknowledged that it could put members of the military and other Americans at significant risk because they could now become prized targets for revenge. It seems likely that the unwise timing of this information release was politically motivated, seeing as control of the Senate will be in Republican hands in January.

This is a prime example of a potentially lethal disease that has infected Washington, called blind partisanship. It is exhibited when people are more concerned about damaging the other party or enhancing their own party than they are about the welfare of their nation. Of course, we should all be concerned about cruel and unusual treatment of any human being, but we must have enough common sense to recognize that it is foolish to do anything that contributes to the long-term weakening of our military efforts, especially when we are engaged in a war, even though some may not want to call it that.

Unfortunately, conflicts and wars seem to be a part of the human condition from which we cannot escape, even though we must never cease trying. However, when we are involved in a war, we should use every resource available to end it quickly and successfully, including the use of covert weapons and techniques that are not meant for public consumption. It is absolutely foolhardy to believe that everyone is going to abide by the rules of moral war, if there are such things. If we allow our enemies to do anything they want to do, including beheading our citizens, but we feel that we must accord them every courtesy and comfort, our days of winning wars will be over. We should not put our military forces, our intelligence-gathering forces or any of our defensive or offensive personnel in a position of questioning whether we will back them up when a problem arises if they are using their best judgment on behalf of their fellow citizens. This will only cause them to be fearful and tentative at times when definitive and aggressive action is warranted.

The $40 million that was used on this study could have been better employed to study alternative techniques for extracting vital information from unwilling captives, which could be added to our armamentarium. We also need to understand that peace is much more likely to be realized if we are in a position of strength and possess a military force that cannot be challenged. We also might experience more peace if we tried to anticipate and prepare for trouble, as opposed to waiting and simply reacting to ever-increasing problems.

Members of both parties need to take time to figure out who the real enemies are and stop trying to demonize each other. We have a lot to be proud of as Americans. Maybe we should spend time studying and talking about that.
—Townhall