Voter fraud

WHL
Funny how when the Dems. don't go along with the Repubs. it is ok. When the Repubs. don't go along with the Dems., they are the part of no. Sorry kids, you can't have it both ways.

Really?  This is from a NY Times article written in 2010;

WASHINGTON — Before the health care fight, before the economic stimulus package, before President Obama even took office, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader, had a strategy for his party: use his extensive knowledge of Senate procedure to slow things down, take advantage of the difficulties Democrats would have in governing and deny Democrats any Republican support on big legislation.

Then there is this from the same NY Times Nov 6, 2014;

Kentucky Republican Sen Mitch McConnell, fresh from his re-election victory and his party's powerful showing nationwide, pledges as next Senate majority leader to break stalemate in Washington; after winning full control of Congress, GOP plans to move quickly to show they can legislate, aware that they risk backlash if they fail to deliver;

Talk about trying to have it both ways.  The obstructionist who now says he will break the stalemate that he created.

obervantone wrote:WASHINGTON — Before the health care fight, before the economic stimulus package, before President Obama even took office, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader, had a strategy for his party: use his extensive knowledge of Senate procedure to slow things down, take advantage of the difficulties Democrats would have in governing and deny Democrats any Republican support on big legislation.

And what was that big legislation? Oh yeah that was Obamacare.

I couldn’t help but notice our resident liberals completely avoided the thread on Gruber, but since you brought up the procedure to attempt to slow it down, it seems relevant this thread.

After the recent information coming to light about Gruber (the key architect of Obamacare), It's amazing to me that ANYONE would defend the procedures used to pass Obamacare or the Republicans attempt to stop it.

Yet you bring up the Republicans not working in good faith while we now know Obama and the Democrats were lying from the start.

That would be hypocritical.

It isn't like we fiscal conservatives didn't try really hard to reason with the left in here. Nothing about the ACA made any sense, and it was dripping with deception. The left accepted all the lies, even after the truth surfaced.


You've been lied to by the President of the United States, and then had an MIT nitwit say you were a stupid American.

This is the legacy of Barack Obama. More inept than Carter, more corrupt than Nixon, and given a pass by the left as long as the "end justifies the means."

Your argument that the Republicans are at fault for not working with Obama really holds no water seeing that Obamacare was an admitted deception from day one.

OL
Your argument that the Republicans are at fault for not working with Obama really holds no water

Really? Never mind the quotes from the Senate Minority Leader to withhold Republican support on every piece of major legislation proposed, and if you think the Affordable Care Act is the only major piece of legislation to go before congress then you should pay attention.

Gruber walked back those comments, and besides, there is no getting rid of Obamacare! No amount of criticism of Obama can deny his veto power, so the Republicans can flap their jaws all they want. Two more years of gridlock are a given, just like the last four!

News Buzzard wrote:Gruber walked back those comments, and besides, there is no getting rid of Obamacare! No amount of criticism of Obama can deny his veto power, so the Republicans can flap their jaws all they want. Two more years of gridlock are a given, just like the last four!

"Walked back" was a weak excuse after the first video came out. After the second and the third videos surfaced, the so called "off the cuff comments", has been laid to waste.

Gruber specifically help write the ACA (and he even admits it) to confuse how the CBO scores how much the program will cost. Another smoke and mirrors plot.

This is not how our government is supposed to work. Especially from an administration that campaigned on more transparency. Then it has one of it's advisors gloating about how much a LACK of transparency is a political benefit and how stupid the American voter is.

We don't elect a bunch of self-proclaimed elites to decide what is best for us while they write legislation in a "tortured way" on purpose to hide it's true intentions while they sell something else entirely.

We elect PUBLIC SERVANTS to represent the best interest of the voters. The laws they pass should be made clear to the voting public so that the public can be informed voters and vote for the candidates or the party that best represents their interests.

Gruber voicing in public what so many liberals feel in private, with that elitist, condescending smirk, is only going to bite them in ass when the videos are played on repeat during the election campaign commercials.

..and they richly deserve all the grief it brings them.

Obamacare gave the House to the Republicans in 2010. Obamacare gave the Senate to the Republicans in 2014. Expect a lot of campaign ads in 2016 reminding all Democrat voters how stupid the Democrat elites think you are.

Obamacare still not going anywhere! Keep trying!

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We elect PUBLIC SERVANTS to represent the best interest of the voters.

 Now that's funny!  When you have the leader of one of the major political parties issuing a political strategy like this:

WASHINGTON — Before the health care fight, before the economic stimulus package, before President Obama even took office, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader, had a strategy for his party: use his extensive knowledge of Senate procedure to slow things down, take advantage of the difficulties Democrats would have in governing and deny Democrats any Republican support on big legislation.

Do you honestly believe that the McConnell strategy was in the best interest of voters, or is it McConnell trying to make the Democrats look bad for political reasons?  If it were Senator Harry Reid that put forward that strategy, you, Jaba the Rush and conservatives everywhere would be screaming bloody murder!!!

Like News Hawk says in the post below:  What was seen can't be unseen!

News Buzzard wrote:"...there is no getting rid of Obamacare! No amount of criticism of Obama can deny his veto power, so the Republicans can flap their jaws all they want. Two more years of gridlock are a given, just like the last four!

We just didn't know how dumb we are!

News Buzzard wrote:"...Gruber walked back those comments...,"

Really?

What was seen can't be unseen!




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It's so apropos, isn't it?!!!

News Pigeon wrote:It's so apropos, isn't it?!!!

Sure is! It's almost like insisting that there is no such thing as climate change. Ignore that 400PPM of CO2 in the atmosphere. That's only a 30% increase in the last 10 years!!!

What would you expect, they're not scientists!

News Buzzard wrote:Gruber walked back those comments, and besides, there is no getting rid of Obamacare!

Do you say that with pride?

On June 13, 2012, Obamacare Jonathan Gruber was interviewed by Frontline. He told them that the Cadillac tax issue was addressed in 2009. Obama knew it was going to be a problem, and they all agreed to lie about it. What Jonathan Gruber is taking heat for right now, was planned out specifically with Barack Obama. It wasn’t just him. It was all of them, with Obama in the room taking part.
—Gatewaypundit

Do Illegals lie, because the US President Obama lies?




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Lying is like breathing to Obama.

News Buzzard wrote:
Sure is! It's almost like insisting that there is no such thing as climate change. Ignore that 400PPM of CO2 in the atmosphere. That's only a 30% increase in the last 10 years!!!

Well, what do you know, NB has been hiding his scientific expertise!



Colorado is presently experiencing Global Climate Disruption.



What happened to "Global Warming"?



Let's ask Jonathon Gruber.




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If you weren't so ignorant of facts, you'd have a better understanding of how climate works...

Hey News Hawk!  I finally found a case of voter fraud for you!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/11/2-year-voter-fraud-probe-results-in-arrest/

Still waiting on the arrests/indictments stemming from those 29,000 plus fraudulent votes in New Hampshire  

obervantone wrote:Hey News Hawk!  I finally found a case of voter fraud for you!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/11/2-year-voter-fraud-probe-results-in-arrest/

Interesting that investigations in Georgia and Florida can bring fraudulent (and multiple) charges within two years of an election. (Too late to alter the results from "vote-bundlers"). Even if they get "the maximum penalty", the effect on citizens can be life-altering.

obervantone wrote:Still waiting on the arrests/indictments stemming from those 29,000 plus fraudulent votes in New Hampshire  

To answer your "strawman" argument, I'd like to know the name(s) of the investigators or their bureau. In any case, it could take two years to uncover fraud, as your link has indicated.




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News Hawk
To answer your "strawman" argument, I'd like to know the name(s) of the investigators or their bureau. In any case, it could take two years to uncover fraud, as your link has indicated.

News Hawk

It's been estimated that Republicans have to overcome 6+ percent of fraudulent votes to defeat the Democrats

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Apparently it has not taken your still unattributed source any time at all to determine that more than 6 percent of the vote, or over 29,000 in the case of New Hampshire, was fraudulent. Perhaps you and he should contact the FBI, I am sure they would be interested.

News Hawk wrote:

Interesting that investigations in Georgia and Florida can bring fraudulent (and multiple) charges within two years of an election.

Care to comment on this fraudulent activity? This is how Republicans "win" elections!!

Florida court orders release of secret redistricting evidence
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: November 13, 2014

TALLAHASSEE – The Florida Supreme Court, in a blunt and highly critical ruling, today ordered the release of hundreds of pages of emails and documents that could expose the role that Republican consultants played in drawing new congressional districts.

The Gainesville-based team of consultants, whose legal bills were paid by the Republican Party of Florida, have tried to keep the documents secret during an ongoing legal challenge to the state’s congressional map. State legislators were forced to alter that map after a judge ruled this summer two congressional districts were improperly drawn to aid the GOP.

The state’s high court ruled that Pat Bainter and his firm Data Targeting had engaged in “gamesmanship” and had waited until the last moment to assert that releasing the documents would violate their First Amendment rights. The ruling notes that at one point, Bainter had maintained he had no real role in redistricting and that he had an “after the fact interest.”

“We simply do not countenance and will not tolerate actions during litigation that are not forthright and that are designed to obfuscate the discovery process,” wrote Justice Barbara Pariente for the court.

The decision to unseal the records was supported by all seven justices. A spokesman for the court said that the 538 pages of documents would be placed online once the ruling becomes final later this month. Media organizations, including The Associated Press, had asked in a friend of the court brief for the documents to be released.

Lawyers who represented the groups challenging the districts said the records will reveal the “shadow process” they said existed between the consultants and the GOP-controlled Florida Legislature.

“The documents which will now be open to public scrutiny were an integral link in establishing the conspiracy between the legislators and the political operatives to draw maps that would favor the Republican Party,” said attorney David King in a statement.
http://tbo.com/news/florida/florida-court-orders-release-of-secret-redistricting-evidence-20141113/

News Buzzard wrote: Stay tuned for an executive order on immigration, and then we'll hear all of this blustery gasbag talk of impeachment! The BS just goes on and on!!!

A Republican congressman known as a pit bull in Washington said Thursday that he doesn't support the idea of impeachment proceedings against President Obama because winning that fight would elevate the vice president to the Oval Office.

'Have you met Joe Biden?'
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Yes, we have...usually accompanied with a gaffe.




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As a matter of fact Biden is being called Obama's "Impeachment Insurance".

The Wisconsin Reporter ^ | 11-14-14 | M. D. Kittle

MADISON, Wis. — The postal carrier who investigators say dumped hundreds of GOP political mailers in a Neenah apartment complex recycling bin days before the general election could face criminal charges, a federal agent tells Wisconsin Reporter. “What we have found is that the carrier’s actions, in our opinion at least, has merited some sort of (charging) decision on the part of” prosecutors, said Scott Pierce, spokesman for the Great Lakes Field Office of the Office of Inspector General for the U.S. Postal Service. “We feel like there is enough information here at least to present the case for prosecution.”...

Another Democrat who believes in Gruber's "We know what's good for you".




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In 2013, the state of North Carolina began issuing driver’s licenses to illegal aliens who qualified for President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program (better known as ‘executive order amnesty’).

Officials had originally planned to place an easily distinguishable pink stripe at the top of the license, along with the words “NO LAWFUL STATUS” in large, red letters, but under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), that plan was abandoned.
http://universalfreepress.com/report-10000-illegal-aliens-are-registered-to-vote-in-north-carolina/

Hagan (D) lost a squeaker!

This doesn't happen very often.




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